Eddie Howe - AFCB - Newcastle United

davidwhitehead said:
I'm delighted to see Eddie doing so well, and I always look out for Newcastle's results these days. I hope he wins everything in sight, and goes on to be one of the greatest managers of all time.

He gave us ten magical years, and I feel so lucky to have witnessed it all.
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100% agree. We were hugely privileged to be part of this journey. Nothing will ever compare to that time. For me he is up there with Shankly.
 
fritter said:
100% agree. We were hugely privileged to be part of this journey. Nothing will ever compare to that time. For me he is up there with Shankly.
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Nobody at any British club has done what he did with us. I don’t know enough about foreign football to comment with education on that.
 
Neil Dawson said:
Nobody at any British club has done what he did with us. I don’t know enough about foreign football to comment with education on that.
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Graham Taylor led Watford from the Fourth Division to the First Division in only five years.[14] In his first season Watford won the 1977–78 Fourth Division title, losing only five of 46 games and winning the division by 11 points.[15] In the Third Division Taylor led Watford to another promotion, finishing second, and losing out on the title by one point in the 1978–79 season.[16]

Taylor's third season, in the Second Division, was less successful. Indicating the tougher competition, Watford managed only an 18th finish, out of 22 teams, avoiding relegation by eight points and winning only 12 of their 42 games in the 1979–80 season.[17] In the next season, the 1980–81 season, Taylor improved Watford's performance, ending it with 16 wins and a 9th-place finish.[18] In the 1981–82 season Watford achieved promotion, ending the season in 2nd place, and gaining 23 wins and 11 draws in 42 games.[19]

In the First Division with Taylor as manager, Watford gained its highest-ever victory (8–0 against Sunderland)[7] as well as the "double" over Arsenal, an away win at Tottenham Hotspur, and home victories over Everton and Liverpool; this resulted in Watford finishing runners-up in the entire Football League.[20] He then took the side to the third round of the UEFA Cup, having finished second in 1982–83 (the club's first season as a top division club). Taylor also led Watford to the 1984 FA Cup Final, which Watford lost to Everton 2–0.[21] In his final season, 1986–87, Watford finished ninth in the league and reached the FA Cup semi-finals, missing out on another Wembley appearance when they lost to Tottenham Hotspur,

In May 1987, Taylor left Watford for a new challenge at Aston Villa, who had just been relegated from the First Division.[23] Second-tier football was a terrible setback for the Midlanders, who had won the European Cup just five years earlier and had been league champions six years earlier.[24]

Taylor managed to take Aston Villa back to the top flight with his first attempt, securing their top flight safety in 1988–89 with a draw on the final day of the league season.[25] During his third season at the club Villa finished runners-up in the First Division, having led the league table at several stages of the season before being overhauled in the final weeks by Liverpool.[
 
Kenya Cherrie said:
Graham Taylor led Watford from the Fourth Division to the First Division in only five years.[14] In his first season Watford won the 1977–78 Fourth Division title, losing only five of 46 games and winning the division by 11 points.[15] In the Third Division Taylor led Watford to another promotion, finishing second, and losing out on the title by one point in the 1978–79 season.[16]

Taylor's third season, in the Second Division, was less successful. Indicating the tougher competition, Watford managed only an 18th finish, out of 22 teams, avoiding relegation by eight points and winning only 12 of their 42 games in the 1979–80 season.[17] In the next season, the 1980–81 season, Taylor improved Watford's performance, ending it with 16 wins and a 9th-place finish.[18] In the 1981–82 season Watford achieved promotion, ending the season in 2nd place, and gaining 23 wins and 11 draws in 42 games.[19]

In the First Division with Taylor as manager, Watford gained its highest-ever victory (8–0 against Sunderland)[7] as well as the "double" over Arsenal, an away win at Tottenham Hotspur, and home victories over Everton and Liverpool; this resulted in Watford finishing runners-up in the entire Football League.[20] He then took the side to the third round of the UEFA Cup, having finished second in 1982–83 (the club's first season as a top division club). Taylor also led Watford to the 1984 FA Cup Final, which Watford lost to Everton 2–0.[21] In his final season, 1986–87, Watford finished ninth in the league and reached the FA Cup semi-finals, missing out on another Wembley appearance when they lost to Tottenham Hotspur,

In May 1987, Taylor left Watford for a new challenge at Aston Villa, who had just been relegated from the First Division.[23] Second-tier football was a terrible setback for the Midlanders, who had won the European Cup just five years earlier and had been league champions six years earlier.[24]

Taylor managed to take Aston Villa back to the top flight with his first attempt, securing their top flight safety in 1988–89 with a draw on the final day of the league season.[25] During his third season at the club Villa finished runners-up in the First Division, having led the league table at several stages of the season before being overhauled in the final weeks by Liverpool.[
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They didn’t start with a demoralised battered team with a points deduction and a transfer embargo. They also were backed by Elton Johns cash. We didn’t get Max until the second tier.
 
Taylor was the best lower division manager ever at Lincoln and Watford...about the same as Howe on the ride up with Watford, or possibly slightly less impressive...but his record when he got to the top league easily eclipses Eddie's !
 
Old Cherry said:
Taylor was the best lower division manager ever at Lincoln and Watford...about the same as Howe on the ride up with Watford, or possibly slightly less impressive...but his record when he got to the top league easily eclipses Eddie's !
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Howe also did it the impossible way playing beautiful football. Taylor lumped the ball from one end of the pitch to the other. I also think the first division back then was a lot easier than the Premier League was for Eddie. Forest came up and won the league the year after. Can you imagine if Forest had done that this year? What would the reaction have been? I think it would not be hyperbolic to suggest it would have been called the greatest achievement in modern football.
 
Neil Dawson said:
Howe also did it the impossible way playing beautiful football. Taylor lumped the ball from one end of the pitch to the other. I also think the first division back then was a lot easier than the Premier League was for Eddie. Forest came up and won the league the year after. Can you imagine if Forest had done that this year? What would the reaction have been? I think it would not be hyperbolic to suggest it would have been called the greatest achievement in modern football.
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Yeah and not taking anything away from Clough, Taylor etc as they were/are incredible achievements, but the game has changed. No way a clubs getting promoted and winning, or coming close to winning, the PL title the following season. No chance it would happen anymore.
 
MB1980 said:
Yeah and not taking anything away from Clough, Taylor etc as they were/are incredible achievements, but the game has changed. No way a clubs getting promoted and winning, or coming close to winning, the PL title the following season. No chance it would happen anymore.
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Tbf is it much different for Leicester to avoid relegation by the skin of their teeth then win it the following year? If it hadn't had happened people would be saying it's impossible.
 
Bishop said:
This is the best post I’ve read on this forum in my admittedly short seven months here. I will follow his career with great pride although a certain frustration will no doubt never go away! Good luck wherever you go Eddie, you gave us more than we could ever have dreamed of and more.
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You can’t argue that he laid the foundation for where we are now, having attracted billionaire investors determined to take us to the next level.
Without Eddie and Max getting us and keeping us in the PL for so long, that surely could never have happened.
Eddie is no longer here but we are 100% here because of Eddie ( and Max‘s support of Eddie ! ).
I wish him nothing but the best and he owes us far less than nothing !
 
SlowDownDerek said:
Tbf is it much different for Leicester to avoid relegation by the skin of their teeth then win it the following year? If it hadn't had happened people would be saying it's impossible.
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They were an established PL club in a false position though. With a PL squad and in a year where other main sides had a coninciding rebuild year. I’d say Forest’s achievement against a dominant Liverpool was more impressive.
 
Neil Dawson said:
They were an established PL club in a false position though. With a PL squad and in a year where other main sides had a coninciding rebuild year. I’d say Forest’s achievement against a dominant Liverpool was more impressive.
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I think you need to go back to your history books. Their second season back in the top flight after years outside. No different to Forest and in an era where the financial odds were massively stacked against them. It's at least as impressive as Forest's achievements. Leaguewise at least.
 
SlowDownDerek said:
I think you need to go back to your history books. Their second season back in the top flight after years outside. No different to Forest and in an era where the financial odds were massively stacked against them. It's at least as impressive as Forest's achievements. Leaguewise at least.
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Yeah Leicester did pop into my mind when authoring my message to the forum...

Interesting thing about Leicester was they had players like Wes Morgan nearing the end of his career, in amongst Mahrez, Kante, vardy etc.

Even those 4 were cheap and tbh, totally unknown as far I know... at least the 2 imports from Francais. Looking at their team squad, a real moneyball method feel to it. As far as I know, they didn't use a model like Brentford though?

Like you say, if hadn't have happened, I would have scoffed at the suggestion fir sure. Overall, I still feel that was a proper 'black swan' event, much more so than the Clough era and before, where the table and teams final positions would change quite dramatically in short time frames.
 
Neil Dawson said:
They didn’t start with a demoralised battered team with a points deduction and a transfer embargo. They also were backed by Elton Johns cash. We didn’t get Max until the second tier.
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Third tier, it should be said. But for all those, "It's easy when you're bankrolled by a Russian Billionaire!" types, we managed to find ourselves in the relegation zone before Eddie returned.

What Max's money enabled us to do was turn down offers by any Championship club who waved £300,000 in our face. Eddie's task would have been much harder if that wasn't the case.
 
MB1980 said:
Yeah Leicester did pop into my mind when authoring my message to the forum...

Interesting thing about Leicester was they had players like Wes Morgan nearing the end of his career, in amongst Mahrez, Kante, vardy etc.

Even those 4 were cheap and tbh, totally unknown as far I know... at least the 2 imports from Francais. Looking at their team squad, a real moneyball method feel to it. As far as I know, they didn't use a model like Brentford though?

Like you say, if hadn't have happened, I would have scoffed at the suggestion fir sure. Overall, I still feel that was a proper 'black swan' event, much more so than the Clough era and before, where the table and teams final positions would change quite dramatically in short time frames.
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Ah yes, but the REAL reason for Leicester City's success was the supernatural assistance of Richard III - it's an incredible story.

https://rexfactor.wordpress.com/2016/05/03/saint-richard-iii-and-the-miracle-of-leicester-city/
 
SlowDownDerek said:
Tbf is it much different for Leicester to avoid relegation by the skin of their teeth then win it the following year? If it hadn't had happened people would be saying it's impossible.
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If the top of the league wasn't in complete chaos Leciester would've been 5th or 6th. I think they won with a point more than the lowest points tally in the last 30 years, maybe more. Look at the top 6 points totals (and teams) over the last 20 years to see what a freak season it was.

Leicester massively overperformed that season but they really needed all the competition massively underperform to achieve as they did.
 
Kudos said:
If the top of the league wasn't in complete chaos Leciester would've been 5th or 6th. I think they won with a point more than the lowest points tally in the last 30 years, maybe more. Look at the top 6 points totals (and teams) over the last 20 years to see what a freak season it was.

Leicester massively overperformed that season but they really needed all the competition massively underperform to achieve as they did.
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But at the end of the day they won it....;)
 
tedisking said:
But at the end of the day they won it....;)
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Yeah, they did and it won't matter one bit to a Leicester fan as it wouldn't to me if we ever won it. If anything knowing the odds were nigh impossible makes it all the sweeter.

It's just every time it's discussed how the Premier League is a closed shop* someone will pipe up with the Leicester example but only 7 teams have won the Premier League and only 4 have won it more than once. Only 11 sides have qualified for the Champions League of which 6 teams have qualified more than 5 times.

Manchester United - 22 times
Chelsea - 21 times
Arsenal - 19 times
Liverpool - 16 times
Tottenham Hotspur - 8 times
Manchester City - 7 times

Frankly, if Eddie is able to get Newcastle to finish in the top 4 then I'd say it's a greater achievement than Leicester winning it that time.

* Unless you have literally billions to 'invest'
 
Kudos said:
Yeah, they did and it won't matter one bit to a Leicester fan as it wouldn't to me if we ever won it. If anything knowing the odds were nigh impossible makes it all the sweeter.

It's just every time it's discussed how the Premier League is a closed shop* someone will pipe up with the Leicester example but only 7 teams have won the Premier League and only 4 have won it more than once. Only 11 sides have qualified for the Champions League of which 6 teams have qualified more than 5 times.

Manchester United - 22 times
Chelsea - 21 times
Arsenal - 19 times
Liverpool - 16 times
Tottenham Hotspur - 8 times
Manchester City - 7 times

Frankly, if Eddie is able to get Newcastle to finish in the top 4 then I'd say it's a greater achievement than Leicester winning it that time.

* Unless you have literally billions to 'invest'
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If he does, someone will come along and say "Yeah but at least 3 of the Big Six underperformed " : )
 
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