Eddie Howe - AFCB - Newcastle United

Neil Dawson said:
My physio mate said the same thing with the work he did with some of our players here. Interesting….

Good that he is admitting it and seeking to change.
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Jesus. How can someone read that article and come to the conclusion that the bullshit you and your physio mate came out with about Howe not bothering to try and solve the injury issues we used to have was right? Mindboggling tbh.
 
Literally from that article....

"We have to improve what we deliver for the players. Football never stands still. Demands are only going up physically. The Premier League is a lot quicker league than it was last year. The physical demands are greater. So your strategies and how you treat the players behind the scenes have to improve.”

"Howe has attempted to address the matter by appointing a new head physiotherapist. Jonny King, with whom he worked at Bournemouth, has left Leicester to replace Danny Murphy.

King and his staff are analysing every injury. “We’re reviewing every one we get, and trying to find a reason why,” said Howe. “Some are freaks but there are some, usually muscle pulls, where you’re going: ‘Is there a way we could have avoided that?’”
 
Neil Dawson said:
Physios fix… fixing injuries wasn’t the issue here and isn’t the issue there.

It’s the causing of them by the intensity of the training sessions. Same people doing them.
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So the physios have zero input / advice for training sessions ? That sounds a little counter productive. I've seen plenty in my time and part of their job has been recommending the correct way to avoid injury after rehabilitation and in future training programmes.

I'm surprised this doesn't happen when dealing with elite athletes.
 
SlowDownDerek said:
Literally from that article....

"We have to improve what we deliver for the players. Football never stands still. Demands are only going up physically. The Premier League is a lot quicker league than it was last year. The physical demands are greater. So your strategies and how you treat the players behind the scenes have to improve.”

"Howe has attempted to address the matter by appointing a new head physiotherapist. Jonny King, with whom he worked at Bournemouth, has left Leicester to replace Danny Murphy.

King and his staff are analysing every injury. “We’re reviewing every one we get, and trying to find a reason why,” said Howe. “Some are freaks but there are some, usually muscle pulls, where you’re going: ‘Is there a way we could have avoided that?’”
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Was Danny Murphy moonlighting from motd?
 
red_house said:
So the physios have zero input / advice for training sessions ? That sounds a little counter productive. I've seen plenty in my time and part of their job has been recommending the correct way to avoid injury after rehabilitation and in future training programmes.

I'm surprised this doesn't happen when dealing with elite athletes.
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Of course they have input. Eddie Howe may well lose his job due to the impact that injuries have had on his side. He literally says they've recruited a physio that he used to work with here to see if injuries can be avoided - of course he is looking into it. He'd have to be an absolute moron not to. But obviously Neil's mate knows better.
 
SlowDownDerek said:
Of course they have input. Eddie Howe may well lose his job due to the impact that injuries have had on his side. He literally says they've recruited a physio that he used to work with here to see if injuries can be avoided - of course he is looking into it. He'd have to be an absolute moron not to. But obviously Neil's mate knows better.
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All my mate said having worked with two of our players was the training levels were too intense in his professional opinion and causing injuries. Exactly what Eddie said if you are interested in people that know better.
 
I think he will get to the end of season but getting them top 4 that quickly raised the expectaction even further more than the takeover.
He's been unlucky with injuries and they still have a fair few players who clearly aren't CL level or nowhere near good enough for their ambitions.
If they sack him end of the season hopefully he takes England job after Southgate most likely bottles the Euro's for the last time.
 
Neil Dawson said:
Physios fix… fixing injuries wasn’t the issue here and isn’t the issue there.

It’s the causing of them by the intensity of the training sessions. Same people doing them.
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Is it?

Nick Grantham and Craig Musham are listed as the conditioning coaches and I don’t think they have connection to us? I imagine with their titles they are heavily involved in the players work loads in training?

Then in the medical team other than King who joined in recent days, there was only Dan Hodges as part of a 10 man team.

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Sure the coaches devise and run the coaching sessions. But the intensity and who is fit and ready or needs to rest with work load schedules is all done by people who other than one person, has zero connections with Eddie’s time here.
 
Neil Dawson said:
All my mate said having worked with two of our players was the training levels were too intense in his professional opinion and causing injuries. Exactly what Eddie said if you are interested in people that know better.
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Yes Neil, anyone who isn't a complete moron would look into what is causing season de-railing levels of injuries as Howe has done at Newcastle and as he clearly will have done at AFCB with the guy he's just employed at Newcastle for that purpose.

Seriously, do you actually believe he wouldn't have considered this issue? Just not bothered about it?
 
SlowDownDerek said:
Yes Neil, anyone who isn't a complete moron would look into what is causing season de-railing levels of injuries as Howe has done at Newcastle and as he clearly will have done at AFCB with the guy he's just employed at Newcastle for that purpose.

Seriously, do you actually believe he wouldn't have considered this issue? Just not bothered about it?
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I’ve never said he wouldn’t have looked into it, as you said only a complete moron wouldn’t.

Talking of complete morons you’d need to be one to look at the injury records of the same group of coaches and lead sports scientist at two clubs over seven years and not think they are the issue. Especially when they confirm it in an interview
 
I think the Media want him sacked more than the Newcastle fans even after their recent bad form as lot of those Idiot pundits or talentless youtube prats compare him and this time to Mark Hughes when he was first manager when City got their takeover into a new era even though Eddie is clearly 100x the better manager than Hughes could ever wish to be.
If they finish 8th though the Saudi's will probably sack him and get pundits choice Mourinho.

But yeah hopefully we beat them at St James Park next week as they've looked vulnerable even at home.
 
DJ said:
Is it?

Nick Grantham and Craig Musham are listed as the conditioning coaches and I don’t think they have connection to us? I imagine with their titles they are heavily involved in the players work loads in training?

Then in the medical team other than King who joined in recent days, there was only Dan Hodges as part of a 10 man team.

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Sure the coaches devise and run the coaching sessions. But the intensity and who is fit and ready or needs to rest with work load schedules is all done by people who other than one person, has zero connections with Eddie’s time here.
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So it isn't down to Eddie and JT beasting them around a field and dumping their broken bodies on a physio who never leaves his treatment room and simply patches them up ?

You learn something every day:unsure:
 
Neil Dawson said:
I’ve never said he wouldn’t have looked into it, as you said only a complete moron wouldn’t.

Talking of complete morons you’d need to be one to look at the injury records of the same group of coaches and lead sports scientist at two clubs over seven years and not think they are the issue. Especially when they confirm it in an interview
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Well as people have pointed out it's not the same group of coaches and Howe has provided lots of details on all of the work that they do to try and avoid injury issues. It's funny because in a couple of the other threads you made a song and dance about how people should take the word of managers and players at face value yet apparently not in this case.

Two separate clubs, different owners with hundreds of millions of pounds on the line, the richest owners in football no less.... and you still think your mate's half soaked b*llocks about Howe not knowing the impact his training regime has on his players is true?

How does your logic work here Neil? Howe's got a blind spot that only your mate who does back street physiotherapy in the Lansdowne has spotted? Eddie Howe, Max Demin, Amanda Staveley, Mohammed Bin Salman hundreds of players..... all just shrug their shoulders and curse their hard luck about the easily solved injury issues they have? The ones your mate could have solved no problem?

There's literally hundreds of millionaires and a few billionaires all with an interest in these players not getting injured.... and you reckon they are all morons because they haven't thought about the impact of training like you mate has?

My word.
 
SlowDownDerek said:
Well as people have pointed out it's not the same group of coaches and Howe has provided lots of details on all of the work that they do to try and avoid injury issues. It's funny because in a couple of the other threads you made a song and dance about how people should take the word of managers and players at face value yet apparently not in this case.

Two separate clubs, different owners with hundreds of millions of pounds on the line, the richest owners in football no less.... and you still think your mate's half soaked b*llocks about Howe not knowing the impact his training regime has on his players is true?

How does your logic work here Neil? Howe's got a blind spot that only your mate who does back street physiotherapy in the Lansdowne has spotted? Eddie Howe, Max Demin, Amanda Staveley, Mohammed Bin Salman hundreds of players..... all just shrug their shoulders and curse their hard luck about the easily solved injury issues they have? The ones your mate could have solved no problem?

There's literally hundreds of millionaires and a few billionaires all with an interest in these players not getting injured.... and you reckon they are all morons because they haven't thought about the impact of training like you mate has?

My word.
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I genuinely think you don’t stop to read stuff sometimes. Just write an over dramatic thesis.

Eddie Howe has said that he has made mistakes In his training regimes that have cost his players fitness. That’s Eddie Howe. Not me, not any of the people you name. Eddie Howe.

When my mate.. who is only backstreet if that’s your definition of people that have worked with Olympic squads, worked with a couple of our players at the Nuffield he said exactly the same things.

Every year he overworks players… but don’t take it from me or my backstreet boys… take it from Eddie. Not that you really need to when the evidence is smashing you in the face.
 
Think champions league is a game changer for a squad that is barely good enough for the domestic league and cups. That must be quite a challenge for Eddie’s approach to training and maybe he didn’t change enough.

Worth pointing out, though, that a lot of clubs have been badly affected by injuries and no doubt the congested international calendar including the mad mid-season World Cup and delayed euros is causing issues given the amount of football and lack of breaks.

Two of the big negatives that Eddie faced at afcb towards the end was the number of disappointing away defeats and injuries. So maybe, a degree of history repeating itself?
 
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