Match Report and MOM v Norwich

You concentrate all on individuals, which is fine, but I agree with you on their potential. What I am asking is do you think when put in a team over the last 10 months they have come anywhere close to their potential?

I honestly cant answer that mate. Today was piss poor I agree but I'm looking at a work in progress rather than a team or squad reaching its full potential just yet. I think we saw the full potential of the old guard and that's now history .
Haha...I was just going to mention the clean sheet ^
 
Canaries and Cherries fight out Bore-draw

For once all of our fans are in unanimous agreement about the position of our game on MOTD. It doesn't happen often and apparently they do have to show all the games so, if your marriage or friendships are that bad this presents a better option, prepare for a late one.

An abject, injury hit, Norwich limped into town...….. looking to avoid setting the record of conceding two or more for seven games in a row. They were in luck though - up against a Bournemouth side that had spent time honing their skills in the international break...… their cricket skills. Lerma and King were missing too, although Smith provided a pre-match boost for the fans still stunned that Harry and Solanke were given another trot out. Yep... the Klopp mesmerisation had struck again....

The home side started brightly with some good spells of possession and bright switches and interchanges. Both Smith and Rico looked good in attack and Billing was using the ball well. For once the balls into the box were good and quick but every move floundered on the lack of movement in the box with Callum looking jaded and Solanke looking...….well...….like Solanke.

The only half chances came to people yet to score for the club...with finishing to match...Rico and Billing blazing over from clearances. The purple patch died after 15 minutes though and Norwich took over, using their extra man in midfield to build well with players much closer together. Bournemouth were rocked backwards and when they did clear the forwards first touch was abysmal. It was poor to watch and the crowds frustration was growing.

Billing represented the best chance by winning the ball back but the gaps around him were so huge and Bournemouth were feeding on scraps. From one decent move the games best chance was created - Wilson feeding in Solanke six yards out with one half of the goal gaping. It was one of those chances you wish had fallen to anyone else on the pitch (odd I know as he is our centre forward) and he duly rushed an un-composed shot straight at Krul.

HT Bournemouth 0 Norwich 0

The second half was really a story of Norwich building patiently with very little threat or talent apart from Pukki and Bournemouth clearing and chasing the clearances hopefully. It was probably our most disjointed performance in 11 months of performances that have rarely hit the mark. No pattern or shape, the players stretched and as a result a makeshift back four of midfielders hit for five by Villa last time out ended up looking like Baresi's AC Milan.

When a sustained period of Norwich pressure had seen Tettey head over Eddie had seen enough. Off went Solanke to save himself further humiliation and shortly afterwards off went Harry Wilson ('I didn't even realise he was playing' - my old dad). King and Danjuma arrived. What happened next will be of no surprise to veteran Bournemouth watchers. All four forwards went and stood up the pitch miles away from team-mates who were too tired to either pass that far or run the ball to them. We then just launched it...…...and wondered why a forward line not known for their aerial ability didn't demonstrate any aerial ability. 'It was like we thought we had a target man' said Eddie a bit worryingly afterwards....

I am conscious I haven't talked much about anything that happened in the game.... there is a reason for this - is it a) I forgot to make notes b) nothing happened? Tune in to MOTD folks to find out of the answer. AFC Bournemouth breached the mighty Norwich defence once more when Danjuma registered our second, and last, shot on target down Krul's throat. At the other end Ramsdale was hugely tested with an excellent save from Pukki's low drive that would have snatched all of the points. So, it could have been worse.

FT Bournemouth 0 Norwich 0

Ramsdale 7 - Tidy and one great save.

Smith 8 - Lively clever return at both ends.
Cook 7 - Solid and watchful although not really much to test.
Ake 7 - (See Cook)
Rico 7 - Maintained his recent resurgence with clever control and passing.

Wilson 4 - I assume we have to play him - it's in the deal right?
Cook 6 - Periods of good stuff but out-numbered.
Billing 7 - Really on it - vision and fight.
Fraser 5 - Fits and starts of danger but a long way off.

Wilson 5 - Battled away but no touch or breaks today
Solanke 4 - All the menace of a baby hamster.

MOM - It has to be Smith or Billing but I thought Billing tired whereas Smith went and went. Both bright buoys in a sea of sewage though.

Verdict
The small band of hard-core apologists on this website will just be excited we were on the same pitch as a team that played in the 1985 Milk Cup final ("ooh... a sign of how far we have come - it felt like our cup final not theirs - remember Chris Sutton and Jeremy Goss...blah blah") The majority though will see this as another disappointing performance from a squad playing well below their capabilities against a team constructed at a fraction of the price and in defensive disarray.

There is no point in having the most talented squad we have ever had if we can't work out how to play them. When was the last time you saw us play really well for 90 minutes - like we used to do on a regular basis? Without always winning or drawing of course because of the high standard we now play at but always a team with shape, direction and energy.

It is so, so obvious that we are drowned in midfield. Cook and Billing were exhausted at the end. Teams have us sussed in that department and play through the middle against us leaving us so stretched with no ability to link with the forwards. If either centre midfielder push forwards and we lose it we are then on a rush all the way back to our own box and it is leaving us leggy, weary and unable to link play. Its how you end up with two home wins out of eleven and a game that looks stretched. The other problem we have as well is we have replaced players that grew up with 4-4-2 with players that grew up with 4-3-3. Watch Danjuma not understand his defensive responsibilities like Iturbe, Gradel, King, Ibe etc and suffer while we try and turn him into Matt Ritchie.

If you really have to play 4-4-2 that extra forward has to add something to make up for the lack of midfield....and Solanke doesn't offer anything. No pace, no aerial ability, no clever little balls behind gaps. Before the game the talk was he would come good against Norwich's makeshift defence - why? He was completely dominated by Burton and Forest Green's centre halves. He is a show-pony player trading off very non-competitive England U21 appearances. He should be well coached before he is let anywhere near a starting jersey again, if at all. Please let's not give him 30 odd games like we did with Rantie to try and falsely justify the fact we weren't ripped off. Throw into the mix Wilson had an international hang-over, Fraser is only half here in mind and you don't score against the leagues worst defence.

That brings me to Harry Wilson.... who presumably we have to play as there can be no other reason? He could maybe fill that number 10 role we are crying out for having shone there at a level below and being great on a loose ball with a shot. On the wing though - he is lost and wasted. Again this is taking too long for our management team to work out.

We are back in that space of being far too stubborn with changing players, not able to play the system tailor made for our team and the number one coached system throughout every successful team in the world. Stuck playing a league one system with a league one coaching team. We have a real chance this year with the squad we have. I don't care about winning, I don't care about league positions but I do care when I see teams not prepared and set up right with talent and potential being wasted and we are not doing the best by our players at the moment.

They are improving at cricket though...…...
On the money Neil (y)
 
Yank - you ask what Eddie had to say ... well on Solent he described a game different to the one I'd just watched. He was happy with our performance - all except for the final ball. Crosses were misjudged, he said, the wrong passes chosen. OK - but what was going on behind the forwards - the midfield two were isolated and often overrun by an ordinary Norwich team. H Wilson seemed glued to the touchline, ditto Fraser - neither came infield nor took on their full backs.

Eddie surely had the wrong selection. Even if Lerma was injured there was a compelling case for another in midfield - perhaps H Wilson, using Smith to push up the wing.

The performance was incoherent: it's not that the players weren't motivated; rather, they seemed unable to execute the strategy for the day. Not surprising - it was the wrong strategy.
 
The performance was incoherent: it's not that the players weren't motivated; rather, they seemed unable to execute the strategy for the day. Not surprising - it was the wrong strategy.
And this is the story, largely, of the last eleven months. It alarms me we have no ability to spot this and change. People think I fixate on the coaching team being the pitch issue. They may be right and perhaps I am off the money. I just see an exhausted stretched team with huge gaps in it continually out played and out possessioned by lesser teams.

In this dreadful home run we are on we have dropped points to Norwich, Sheff U, Fulham, Burnley, Newcastle and Wolves. As well as Man City x2 and West Ham which is more to be expected. Sides we used to get wins against.

Now, if we have our best squad ever which we all agree on why is this? What’s left. To me it’s the completely rigid thought process over 4-4-2 or 5-4-1 being our formations for lesser and better teams respectively. None of which tackle the two man central midfield overran issue.
Therefore isn’t coaching to blame?
 
No dispute from me that yesterday was dreadful, but...

another perspective (no not Brent Goulets) is that this season we've only lost once at home, and away from home we've already won twice. We sit in 9th which is reasonably healthy.

As for potential, well there are lots of teams who will argue that they didn't play games to their full potential. Everton beat West Ham yesterday, who we drew with. But you simplify the issue and write-off Everton as a poor team.
 
With the exception of Liverpool - anyone can beat anyone this season.

We look rather sterile at the moment - I’d almost feel happier if we’d played well and unluckily lost.

From what I saw it looked as though we played Norwich into the game.
That’s my worry too Grumpy... performances have been sadly lacking for too long. Eddie continually talking about us not finding our levels.... but not seeming to understand why. We looked amateur in set up a lot of yesterday but could have rectified that with moving people around but we just don’t seem to see it. Very worrying.
 
No dispute from me that yesterday was dreadful, but...

another perspective (no not Brent Goulets) is that this season we've only lost once at home, and away from home we've already won twice. We sit in 9th which is reasonably healthy.

As for potential, well there are lots of teams who will argue that they didn't play games to their full potential. Everton beat West Ham yesterday, who we drew with. But you simplify the issue and write-off Everton as a poor team.
Don’t fall into the ‘playing the name’ trap some people do on here Rob.
Did Everton look like a good team to you? I have an Everton pal who comes down every game they play here and we both agreed after that was the weakest Everton performance here by a long way.
Did Norwich or Sheff U look like teams we shouldn’t be beating? Or Newcastle, Fulham, Burnley in the run in last year.

I know some fans are more fervent than others and I respect that but do you think you may have rose tints on a bit? I’m asking because you say I always wear the half empty glasses.

Maybe I just have a higher opinion of our players ability than you... I don’t mean that cheekily... it may be true. I just look at our squad and think it should have taken Norwich apart yesterday like Villa did. I saw nothing on that pitch from Norwich that previous less talented squads here wouldn’t have beaten comfortably.
 
Two in midfield in madness. What’s up Eddie???
Anyone would think that Norwich played well....in fact watching Norwich was a stark reminder of why we don't play with 3 in midfield .....without a creative midfielder it just leads to a lot of mind numbing ...turgid possession which serves no purpose other than to give supporters of struggling teams some sort of strange comfort...even as they are inevitably relegated.
 
Don’t fall into the ‘playing the name’ trap some people do on here Rob.
Did Everton look like a good team to you? I have an Everton pal who comes down every game they play here and we both agreed after that was the weakest Everton performance here by a long way.
Did Norwich or Sheff U look like teams we shouldn’t be beating? Or Newcastle, Fulham, Burnley in the run in last year.

I know some fans are more fervent than others and I respect that but do you think you may have rose tints on a bit? I’m asking because you say I always wear the half empty glasses.

Maybe I just have a higher opinion of our players ability than you... I don’t mean that cheekily... it may be true. I just look at our squad and think it should have taken Norwich apart yesterday like Villa did. I saw nothing on that pitch from Norwich that previous less talented squads here wouldn’t have beaten comfortably.
Undoubtedly I'm more rose tinted, maybe less critical, than you or some others on here, but I don't think its all one way.

I haven't played any name trap. I agreed yesterday was dreadful, but I also think Everton weren't as bad as you like to claim they were. Its nothing to do with being Everton.

I guess in theory most teams could beat the opposition on any given day, but you seem to flatly refuse to acknowledge thats how it goes. I think we could always do better, but I know that we sometimes have to give credit to the opposition.

What do you think Everton fans said about us? That we're better than them when they play to their full potential? Of course not.
 
Yesterday the team was stale collectively. Even the subs Francis over Stacey accepting Smith was back in was a poor decision. If Lerma wasn't fit that creates problem but still playing with 2 wingers with Wilson H's work rate not up to par with the Bournemouth style .Creates too much pressure on the 2 midfielders in turn creating pressure on the defence. Surely it is time for 3 in midfleld to give more balance and counter attack from some strength. Get fit soon Brooks your team needs you.
 
" Very worrying." says Neil.

Just think you need to relax a bit more to be honest. When we lose or have a poor game, its like its the end of the world to you. Perhaps you should wait and write these reports the day after or something. Immediate reactions on social media are usually when people's feelings are still a bit raw after all.

Our situation right now is actually not too bad, its really down to fine lines. Clean sheet yesterday, only one slip on a set piece from a clean sheet last weekend, so defensively we are actually getting better [ and I think Ramsdale is the key to this as the defence know they can rely on him ]

While I think most fans would consider yesterday as a game to pick three points up in, I think Sheffield Utd is the only other game I 'expected' to win beforehand. We are still easing some players back from injury, obviously still missing a couple as well. We don't have Fraser doing what he used to this season too.

Whatever you can say about our squad [ 'best ever', which I agree with ]....two points. 1] every other PL squad will have spent decent money too, its not like we have strengthened and nobody else did. One example, West Ham, spent a fortune pre-season and have also been inconsistent, looking like world beaters one week and bang average the next. 2] aside from Liverpool this season, results for pretty much every team have been strange at some points. I bet forums of all clubs have fans saying pretty much the same as us. and a bonus point, 3] clubs like ours just cannot afford the very best, most consistent players for their squads. So we end up with what we have, tons of a potential, not the finished article, young players still striving to be the very best they can be. Again, some weeks they look great, the next it can look average. This isn't down to having League One coaches though. If they could do it every week, they wouldn't be with us.

Just think fans need more balance when discussing the team on a bad day.
 
Yank - you ask what Eddie had to say ... well on Solent he described a game different to the one I'd just watched. He was happy with our performance - all except for the final ball. Crosses were misjudged, he said, the wrong passes chosen. OK - but what was going on behind the forwards - the midfield two were isolated and often overrun by an ordinary Norwich team. H Wilson seemed glued to the touchline, ditto Fraser - neither came infield nor took on their full backs.

Eddie surely had the wrong selection. Even if Lerma was injured there was a compelling case for another in midfield - perhaps H Wilson, using Smith to push up the wing.

The performance was incoherent: it's not that the players weren't motivated; rather, they seemed unable to execute the strategy for the day. Not surprising - it was the wrong strategy.
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" Very worrying." says Neil.

Just think you need to relax a bit more to be honest. When we lose or have a poor game, its like its the end of the world to you. Perhaps you should wait and write these reports the day after or something. Immediate reactions on social media are usually when people's feelings are still a bit raw after all.

Our situation right now is actually not too bad, its really down to fine lines. Clean sheet yesterday, only one slip on a set piece from a clean sheet last weekend, so defensively we are actually getting better [ and I think Ramsdale is the key to this as the defence know they can rely on him ]

While I think most fans would consider yesterday as a game to pick three points up in, I think Sheffield Utd is the only other game I 'expected' to win beforehand. We are still easing some players back from injury, obviously still missing a couple as well. We don't have Fraser doing what he used to this season too.

Whatever you can say about our squad [ 'best ever', which I agree with ]....two points. 1] every other PL squad will have spent decent money too, its not like we have strengthened and nobody else did. One example, West Ham, spent a fortune pre-season and have also been inconsistent, looking like world beaters one week and bang average the next. 2] aside from Liverpool this season, results for pretty much every team have been strange at some points. I bet forums of all clubs have fans saying pretty much the same as us. and a bonus point, 3] clubs like ours just cannot afford the very best, most consistent players for their squads. So we end up with what we have, tons of a potential, not the finished article, young players still striving to be the very best they can be. Again, some weeks they look great, the next it can look average. This isn't down to having League One coaches though. If they could do it every week, they wouldn't be with us.

Just think fans need more balance when discussing the team on a bad day.
Good points .
However, Neil is certainly right with regards to the formation , the big gaps between the midfield and the forwards , the like for like subs which change nothing ...
This is down to the manager and JT .
 
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Good points .
However, Neil is certainly right with regards to the formation , the big gaps between the midfield and the forwards , the like for like subs which change nothing ...
This is down to the manager and JT .

Yes indeed and you can say the same about Eddie and JT....still learning. That is why they are not ready for a 'big club' job just yet.

However much it can be banged on about how we are not playing Exeter anymore and how much money has been invested in the PL era....it doesn't change the fact that other clubs are all doing the same [ and often is much larger amounts ] and that pretty much all our players, management and coaching staff are inconsistent at times, which is why they are all at AFCB and not Man City or Liverpool.

And its not a crime or a massive deficiency to be this way....because probably 15/16 other PL clubs could be saying the same thing.
 

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