Exile Cherry
Trialist
No, why would you come to that conclusion ?
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Exile Cherry
Trialist
A lot of my posts ? I've posted very little hence a "plastic'. Rather than trying to bait maybe help me understand
Posted very little....but a trifecta of unanswered ones.
That falls into the drunken posting accusations, of which I am an expert.
You have been found GUILTY of drunken posting (without much evidence)
You are therefore sentenced to 240 hours of community service to be served with either Waz or Brian.
The community service will, at your choice be served at:
1. Waz's basement (socialising Warren, cleaning up the screwed up betting slips abound the floor, reducing the multiple personality disorders, back into, hopefully one. Learning about having 6 usernames, and reintegration Warren into having only 1.
2. Week long sabbatical with New/Old/OldNew/NewOld Cherry (countless military drills around the hills and lakes of Cornwall. This is a British only punishment, whereby you will be introduced to the ills of society, non white bar tenders, non straight bar tenders, Wetherspoons and foreigners. If you fail this course, Brian will take you to a PL game, between two disgusting money hungry teams. If you pass, you'll be taken to a non league event, where all things are a bit 1972.
The choice is yours.
That falls into the drunken posting accusations, of which I am an expert.
You have been found GUILTY of drunken posting (without much evidence)
You are therefore sentenced to 240 hours of community service to be served with either Waz or Brian.
The community service will, at your choice be served at:
1. Waz's basement (socialising Warren, cleaning up the screwed up betting slips abound the floor, reducing the multiple personality disorders, back into, hopefully one. Learning about having 6 usernames, and reintegration Warren into having only 1.
2. Week long sabbatical with New/Old/OldNew/NewOld Cherry (countless military drills around the hills and lakes of Cornwall. This is a British only punishment, whereby you will be introduced to the ills of society, non white bar tenders, non straight bar tenders, Wetherspoons and foreigners. If you fail this course, Brian will take you to a PL game, between two disgusting money hungry teams. If you pass, you'll be taken to a non league event, where all things are a bit 1972.
The choice is yours.
MB1980
UTC Legend
Sounds like a new version of the 'Running Man'.
Exile Cherry
Trialist
Thanks for the explanation. Given the options I'll go on the run and continue to drink and masturbate past my bedtime. Concerning option 2 I'll admit to being English but not British and I've already flown the coop so where does that leave me . p s 1972 sounds pretty good to me so maybe I'll apply for option 2 at a later date when I've sussed out my probation officers.
RobTrent
UTC Legend
It’s a bit daft if you think you can’t put a a discussion about our keeper in the context of others, unless you don’t want to because it doesn’t help your criticism of him. It’s as daft as saying you can’t discuss his defence, most of whom have also been scapegoats at some point.Well yes, I am brushing off the og mainly because I imagine they're discussing that on the Everton forum and it had nothing to do with Neto, who, ahem, if you look to the top of the page, you will see this thread is about.
As for showing you a better keeper, I'm pretty sure I remember you defending other players and managers in the past and it's turned out that there were actually better ones out there that most of us didn't know about.
You're not on holiday with Blake and Hughes, are you? Might be time to lay off the cocktails .
I bid you good morrow
And of course there are better players out there, otherwise we’d be winning the league.
Neto has performed well for us, but isn’t perfect. I’ll take that.
TrevorMorganFanClub
Star Player
It's amazing that we still have a chance of a top half finish when half our squad are useless.
Probably a sign of the elite wokery on this forum, or something.
Probably a sign of the elite wokery on this forum, or something.
Garbo
UTC Legend
Neto has an error in him and his command of the box with crosses is not great…but I agree we have to stop demonising him!
If we are lucky enough to find what the manager might want to improve the GK position fair enough…I don’t feel that Travers is the better option so Neto should carry on and just organise his defenders to support him at crosses?
Can I think of any better options that are realistic for us to sign?
Probably not and I would challenge all the Neto critics to name one we can afford?
The closest I can think of would be Butland (Rangers) or Foster (Spurs)
If we are lucky enough to find what the manager might want to improve the GK position fair enough…I don’t feel that Travers is the better option so Neto should carry on and just organise his defenders to support him at crosses?
Can I think of any better options that are realistic for us to sign?
Probably not and I would challenge all the Neto critics to name one we can afford?
The closest I can think of would be Butland (Rangers) or Foster (Spurs)
Championship winning team and early Premier League we had the Magnificent Artur Boruc. Had a rick or two in him, some cost us a point or two. Also saved and earnt us points with his outstanding keeping ( one save at Reading sticks in the mind, that was worth two points). It's hard enough being a keeper, let alone leaping about with your own supporters on your back : )
I'm more concerned that Jordan Pickford is "England England's number One"
: )
I'm more concerned that Jordan Pickford is "England England's number One"
: )
HamJDW
Reserves
What about choice 3: A sexy foursome with Brian, Long Mary from the dairy and Hairy Kate? I know which one I'd go for.
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HamJDW
Reserves
Either Brice Samba or Frederik Ronnow would be an upgrade and within our reach.
Johnny Comelately
Star Player
Well, I'll grant you that Pickford was partly responsible for their og but I still don't know what that's got to do with Neto. Imo, humble or otherwise, Neto has been a good shot stopper but he does not inspire confidence. I'm sure I'm not the only one who fears the worst every time the opposition gets a corner, free kick or cross into the box. I assume Travers isn't any better or AI would be playing him so, unless we see Travers on Tuesday, I'm guessing we've got Neto for the rest of the season but after that I think we need an upgrade.
Incidentally, Travers was slaughtered on here at the beginning of last season but I defended him because I thought the problem lay with the tactic of inviting the opposition on and forcing the keeper to keep making saves from corner after corner. I don't know what the stats are but it does seem that we give away a lot fewer corners, throw ins and free kicks around the box so that suggests the defenders are doing a better job which is no doubt due to AI's tactics. So, as others have said, I'd be happy to give Travers another chance.
robber button
Reserves
I am not one of those demonising Neto. He's a good shot stopper and a likeable guy, but he is a liability from high balls/crosses and isn't great with his feet.
I didn't think he was at fault for the pass to Billing that cost us the goal against Wolves - a better first touch and we'd have been able to play through the lines and on the counter-attack. For me (off the top of my head), he does carry blame for the first goal at Spurs away, the punch into Dom's head against Sheffield Utd, and the drop against Everton on Saturday.
If we can find better than we should, particulary as Neto is 34 and is unlikely to improve.
Why not give Travers a chance for the last 9 games in a team that is confident and winning? He's 24 and won quite a few of the player of the season awards in the promotion season; quite a feat in itself when Dom scored more than 30 goals. I'll admit that I give him a bit of a free pass for the horrendous beginning to our second coming in the Premier League, because Parker had done all he could to hole that team below the waterline. (As an aside, well done GON for steadying the ship, but I'm still glad we ended up with Iraola).
At some point, we need to find out if Travers is up to it or not, so why not now? I can't see that there is a lot to lose if the conversation with Neto is done right.
I didn't think he was at fault for the pass to Billing that cost us the goal against Wolves - a better first touch and we'd have been able to play through the lines and on the counter-attack. For me (off the top of my head), he does carry blame for the first goal at Spurs away, the punch into Dom's head against Sheffield Utd, and the drop against Everton on Saturday.
If we can find better than we should, particulary as Neto is 34 and is unlikely to improve.
Why not give Travers a chance for the last 9 games in a team that is confident and winning? He's 24 and won quite a few of the player of the season awards in the promotion season; quite a feat in itself when Dom scored more than 30 goals. I'll admit that I give him a bit of a free pass for the horrendous beginning to our second coming in the Premier League, because Parker had done all he could to hole that team below the waterline. (As an aside, well done GON for steadying the ship, but I'm still glad we ended up with Iraola).
At some point, we need to find out if Travers is up to it or not, so why not now? I can't see that there is a lot to lose if the conversation with Neto is done right.
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We need to improve on Neto but Travers is definitely not the answer for me, he is even weaker than Neto when it comes to commanding his area. It’s easy to forget just how bad Travers was last season, he’s a championship standard keeper unfortunately and should be sold in the Summer. Neto as back up for a new number one would be ideal.
It isn’t an easy position to recruit in though, for all Neto’s faults he’s no worse than Pickford, Sanchez or Brentford’s new keeper, who cost 25m, 20m and 15m respectively. If Burnley go down Muric would be a very good signing, likewise Luton’s keeper looks like a good player too. Ramsdale for me is overrated and although he’d be an upgrade I wouldn’t want us forking out the kind of fee that we’d need to as that money would be better spent elsewhere.
It isn’t an easy position to recruit in though, for all Neto’s faults he’s no worse than Pickford, Sanchez or Brentford’s new keeper, who cost 25m, 20m and 15m respectively. If Burnley go down Muric would be a very good signing, likewise Luton’s keeper looks like a good player too. Ramsdale for me is overrated and although he’d be an upgrade I wouldn’t want us forking out the kind of fee that we’d need to as that money would be better spent elsewhere.
MB1980
UTC Legend
Yes, neither are good enough imo. New keeper needed in summer, I dont care what the stats show, Neto makes too many clear errors... he's not reliable.
Evem saves he makes (which contribute to his decent stats) look hardly confidence inspiring at times.
Looked incredible 1st season, every bit the elite level (albeit backup) keeper... given his career.
Travers isnt good enough either. Shame he returned tbh, needs a season or two of regular champ football and playing well, to be anywhere near the debate as our potential 1st choice keeper. Hopefully he gets that chance, and proves he is up to being a PL level keeper one day.
Personally dont think he will ever be a regular N01 at this level, but hopefully proven wrong!
Don’t forget the awful positioning v Brentford for the free kick
robber button
Reserves
It’s all about different opinions, but think that’s harsh on Travers given his age, the small number of PL games he’s played, and the fact that GKs tend to reach their peak later.
MB1980
UTC Legend
Yes it is a bit OTT TBF.
He needs to prove himself imo, certainly capable of being top 2nd tier keeper, but in danger of being one of those players not quite up to top level. But as you rightly say, time on his side, and hopefully does step up one day.
robber button
Reserves
Fair play. I agree that he needs to prove himself at PL level and this end of season may be a perfect time to do so
trolleybus-21
Trialist
If the choice is simply between Neto and Travers then what, pray, are Randolph and Radu in the squad for?
