blandford_cherry
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+1000000 signed it, still doesn’t match the 17000000+ that voted in the first place
Agreed, its a bit of a red-herring.+1000000 signed it, still doesn’t match the 17000000+ that voted in the first place
Appreciate the reply. When you mention you voted based on the 'info available at the time' do you mean the leaflets and speeches? I only ask because if it was based on 'info' the leave politicians stated (better deal than what we have, SM and CU membership, no money to them, easiest deal in history, leave but still have a say in the laws etc) I would not be complaining as a remain voter if those promises had come true. I would be surprised they had pulled it off, but my god i would not be trying to change it with another vote because I had not won. We would have all won big time ! I would be over the moon.It’s a good question I voted off of the back of the information available at the time, rightly or wrongly. I’m more frustrated at the fact of we’ve held one referendum we don’t need to have another one until we get the result other people want, it would ruin (even further) politics for years to come
What it may actually achieve is to remind them there are people outside of the Westminster bubble that elected them to run the country.What does it achieve? Anyway the point I'm making is that the Prime Minister should be the last person doing this.
just glad MP's aren't in the Firkin Shed ordering a pint before the game - the rest of us would never get served while they make their mind up what to have.I disagree. I think mp's, the police, referees etc.... are a reflection of society. us.
Agreed, its a bit of a red-herring.
Appreciate the reply. When you mention you voted based on the 'info available at the time' do you mean the leaflets and speeches? I only ask because if it was based on 'info' the leave politicians stated (better deal than what we have, SM and CU membership, no money to them, easiest deal in history, leave but still have a say in the laws etc) I would not be complaining as a remain voter if those promises had come true. I would be surprised they had pulled it off, but my god i would not be trying to change it with another vote because I had not won. We would have all won big time ! I would be over the moon.
I hear your frustration about a second vote, but you voted honestly and in line with the info you were given at the time. You made a reasoned decision, and i would be surprised if it was for this. Having a second vote or revoking Article 50 would only upset people who wanted this current situation. I don't think many of the 17.4 mill wanted this or even contemplated our predicament now because it was never mentioned, or if it was it was denounced as fear mongering. Another vote would screw a few hedge funds maybe, and a few politicians ego's, but while we would not all win, we would not all lose.
The PM is not saying what will happen if her deal gets rejected for a 3rd time.
Not like its important or anything...
Appreciate the reply. When you mention you voted based on the 'info available at the time' do you mean the leaflets and speeches? I only ask because if it was based on 'info' the leave politicians stated (better deal than what we have, SM and CU membership, no money to them, easiest deal in history, leave but still have a say in the laws etc) I would not be complaining as a remain voter if those promises had come true. I would be surprised they had pulled it off, but my god i would not be trying to change it with another vote because I had not won. We would have all won big time ! I would be over the moon.
I hear your frustration about a second vote, but you voted honestly and in line with the info you were given at the time. You made a reasoned decision, and i would be surprised if it was for this. Having a second vote or revoking Article 50 would only upset people who wanted this current situation. I don't think many of the 17.4 mill wanted this or even contemplated our predicament now because it was never mentioned, or if it was it was denounced as fear mongering. Another vote would screw a few hedge funds maybe, and a few politicians ego's, but while we would not all win, we would not all lose.
We leave with a no deal or she begs for a last minute change in deal from the EU? Or revokes article 50?
There are so many problems with a second vote though, which I rarely see it's (almost all Remain wishing) advocates talk about. And they haven't changed in the last year or two, so I'm just repeating things really.
Now I appreciate that I am utterly biased, as a soft Brexit is exactly my preferred outcome. So please keep that in mind!
Mostly the problem is: What happens if leave wins again?
Will Remain accept the result for starters?
Whenever I ask that question, people mostly say they would accept it. Some though are honest enough to admit they would forever campaign strongly against leaving the EU because it's the conviction they hold. And I can respect more that answer and it's honesty, rather than the many people who I suspect of being disingenuous when saying they simply want "more democracy".
But putting that aside and looking at the constitutional element of the problem: What would another leave result actually mean?
May's deal? No deal? Start talks again from scratch? Hold another General Election?
It really leaves us no better off really in terms of clarity and mandate.
If Remain wins, but by god forbid an even smaller margin than Leave won last time? Does Leave win on aggregate? Or does it give Remain sufficient mandate to cancel all things Brexit and ignore it all happened?
The only outcome of another referendum that provides clarity for anyone is a massive Remain win. Which I appreciate a lot of people want. But that's by no means certain. Polling often suggests that most people haven't changed their minds, and those who voted leave will still vote leave, and visa versa. So I'm skeptical that this one result of clarity will occur. Whichever way it would go, I think it would be tight. Such is the division we see.
I think all it'll do is just sow even more discontent and hatred among our population. I think we would all need to think through these questions very carefully before we plunged the country into another vote.
Thus is only way forward from this mess that I can see is a soft Brexit, that implements the first referendum, whilst respecting the closeness of the vote, and provides a platform that can be refined over time. If a party wants to stand at General Elections with a manifesto for another referendum, and they gain power on that mandate, then by all means we have to honour that come wat may.
I have heard remaining in the EU described as many things but that is the best.The referendum would not be the same. Thats why there is no point connecting the 2. Just as the last one was not connected to the 1970s vote.
We vote on the deals on the table.
Do you want to continue to eat the cake that is full of cat sick or now that you know its full of cat sick do you think you might pass?
The referendum would not be the same. Thats why there is no point connecting the 2. Just as the last one was not connected to the 1970s vote.
We vote on the deals on the table.
Do you want to continue to eat the cake that is full of cat sick or now that you know its full of cat sick do you think you might pass?
The referendum would not be the same. Thats why there is no point connecting the 2. Just as the last one was not connected to the 1970s vote.
We vote on the deals on the table.
Do you want to continue to eat the cake that is full of cat sick or now that you know its full of cat sick do you think you might pass?