Ryan scummer
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wallmth
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Red_Kettle
New Signing
Club shows no loyalty to a manager, sacking him as soon as someone better becomes available. Very good. Shows that we're finally being run properly.
Player shows no loyalty to a club, sacking it off as soon as something better comes along. Very bad. Shows a disgusting lack of respect.
Just making sure that I've understood properly . . .
Player shows no loyalty to a club, sacking it off as soon as something better comes along. Very bad. Shows a disgusting lack of respect.
Just making sure that I've understood properly . . .
Rob151060
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It wasn’t so much he left that rankles with me. It’s the fact that he effectively downed tools while he was still under contract and we were paying him. And he admitted it which wasn’t the wisest thing to do.
RobTrent
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His contract had ended I believe.
Red_Kettle
New Signing
Well, we were sounding out potential new managers whilst the one we had was working incredibly hard to keep us up. Which is how the football world turns; top level sport isn't an honourable business, so I'm glad we're not run by honourable men. But let's not be hypocritical about it.
Rob151060
First Team
No, I’m really referring to the interview he gave when he admitted he’d not been playing at 100% for some time, and that if he had he actually thought we would’ve stayed up. Callum left end of season too remember, as did Nathan, but there was a reason we reserve a special dislike for the wee turd.
Rob151060
First Team
Sorry- not sure this is on point. The point about Fraser was he intentionally failed to do what the club was pay him to do (try his best) knowing (according to him) that the team would suffer, yet still drawing his salary.
Of course there’s little honour in business, but nobody’s breached contract with Gary, and it’s not being hypocritical in calling out someone who takes your money but doesn’t do the work properly.
Kudos
UTC Legend
The club pays manager's contract off and hires another one.
A player takes pay for work while openly admitting he wasn't working.
Making it any easier for you to understand?
Cherriess
First Team
Agree. Gary often said that doing x was best for the team (replacing Travers with Neto for instance). Bill is now saying he sacked Gary for the good of the team. It's a brutal sport. Any PL or professional head coach had better get used to it. It usually won't end well for them. That's the nature of the beast. I do think Gary deserved better than a 6am call, though.
Red_Kettle
New Signing
I mean, he was working, in that he was turning up for work. He wasn't giving 100%, which - as someone who's rarely given more than 50% at any job I've ever done, falling to less than 10% when I know I'm going to be leaving - doesn't strike me as the worst crime in the world.
Red_Kettle
New Signing
So GON did his work properly and was binned off. If Fraser had done his work properly and got badly injured in the process, he'd have been binned off as well. It's easy to see why he didn't fancy it . . .
Kudos
UTC Legend
Red_Kettle
New Signing
I guess that's why you're a socialist
The capitalists can't extract surplus value from your labour if you refuse to do any labour.
I think most of us look at it from a fans point of view, which is different from the clubs business point of view.
sarfender
First Team
But I expect you are one of those who is happy to 'strike' for a double figure pay rise, claiming 'you are worth it' despite only managing 50% effort, whilst possibly other workers are doing your missing 50% as well as their own% ??The capitalists can't extract surplus value from your labour if you refuse to do any labour.
Touche??
(imagine the boss offering you 50% less, because you aren't working hard enough ?) Assume you'd be OK with that then?)
Red_Kettle
New Signing
But I expect you are one of those who is happy to 'strike' for a double figure pay rise, claiming 'you are worth it' despite only managing 50% effort, whilst possibly other workers are doing your missing 50% as well as their own% ??
Touche??
(imagine the boss offering you 50% less, because you aren't working hard enough ?) Assume you'd be OK with that then?)
Calm down mate, it was a joke.
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Neil Dawson
UTC Legend
First example of a red kettle calling a kettle black
MB1980
UTC Legend
Its what happens when logic clashes with emotion.
Personally still think you should conduct yourself in a certain way, regardless of how others behave.
Wouldn't have been so bad if we were mid table, but taking that approach when we needed everyone to fight for the cause was disappointing.
But yes, he's 'entitled' (hate that word as usually used in context of legally exercising what you're allowed to, typically at the expense of others) to do what he did of course.
Imagine if he played well, we survived but he had career ending or damaging injury. Woukd we have offered him a lucrative deal, or any other club compared to if he didn't have that injury? Not sure how much he'd regret it in 10 years if he missed on a lot more money but 30 blokes on a football forum mentioned what a legend he was every year or two when the subject came up.
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tedisking
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Do you not think there wouldn't be a massive insurance claim if he had a career ending injury ?
