VAR

What I would say, if you held a gun to my head and said I had to accept VAR (it wouldn't surprise me if this happened) and asked me how it should be used ... I'd take all red and yellow decisions off the guy in the middle.

Something happens and he blows for the foul then he asks them to make a decision on the card. The player gets told they are under review so they should act as if they are on a yellow because they could get sent off for two yellows if they do something else whilst under review. When asking for the review the ref tells them his soft signal and they go with that if it's borderline. Game carries on with no disruption and decision gets made. You'd need to decide if they can watch slowed down versions, personally I say no.
 
the policy for footy rules for decades were make as few changes as possible, and keep it so the same rules can be applied universally on any pitch on the world. any improvement was brought in gradually, and with due care - subs, back pass, goal line technology. wot the hell happened for the ruling bodies to suddenly go ape **************** crazy, and be allowed to bring in SO many rule changes in such a short period, and bring a situation where we have different rules at different levels. most people involved in the game don't know the full rules now, let alone the general public. its a truly terrible implementation.
 
When we were on the receiving end of bad refereeing decisions I could accept that sometimes in a quick moment the ref didn’t see it as line of view blocked or off the ball. When VAR still makes the same horrendous error I am less forgiving.
 
I don't get this 'can only be seen in real time by Var' nonsense, regarding the tackle on Wilson by Tielemans. That was the excuse that was given for the ref not to have made the correct decision there. That's because it's inconsistent because:
1. the rule seems to be applied differently for offside decisions. In offside VAR they appear to roll the footage back and forward in slow motion to the point of a split second so that they can split the millimetre. Why can't they do this for reckless career chasing tackles???
2. I thought the point of VAR is to implement the correct decision and make the game fairer. I.e., Clear and obvious errors, as commented by the MOTD commentators (who got it wrong on that tackle IMO).
Given that, I think that Atkinson bottled it, or he's useless. I also think it's still favouring the big boys.

Hopefully they will look at it all again and review the implementation.
 
Tbh.. The Whole Show...is a Pantomime....a Laughing stock....most of Sport in fact is that....Money has F#cked it to Death...ive started the rant
...might as well carry on now ..
Lineker for Gods sake...putting games in an ' Order' ...from a God Only Knows Criteria . I care not which is 1st....i watch all the sh#te anyway!
VAR has only put its best hat on and come to the Party....

PL ....Man City...for all the Gush and Wallet...cannot win a Euro Trophy...neither can the Banks of Spurs and Arsenal...

Brackets:

{ Liverpool ?...got themselves a German..with Savvy to supplement the Dosh...say no more.} ..Close brackets!

Man U..... Print Money...Employ Bozos to chuck it in the Ship canal. Try Remploy!

Chelsea....a strange, mystical set of human beings flanking the Thames!

Then there is the EFL Provincial BANK..
Controlling the Peasants. Bolt on a minus to Bolton and Bury Bury !.... Jubbly!

Down near Balmy Alum Chine ..all that matters to old gents, their sons, grandsons and chirping blackbirds....is real football?
 
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The reason for not using slow mo on tackles is because it’s only suppose to clear up clear and obvious errors.

If you need to slow it down to decide something, it’s not clear and obvious.

We want the human interpretation and errors involved in the game, it adds to the drama.

The contradiction is then the use of super slow frame by frame replays to try and determine any potential graze of an arm hair over the course of an entire “attacking phase” to disallow goals.

Or offside decisions with the VAR acting like he can split the atom to decide if it’s offside or not despite the technology actually not being accurate enough within 40cm!
 
Coobster said:
I'm for VAR in some format.

I like the fact the ref doesn't go to the monitor and trusts the ref in the booth.

I just don't get how they're using it at the moment. Disallowing goals for stupid handballs - yes, the rules fault not so much VARs fault.
Today, I think, there should have been two pens. Wilson pulled back and Lerma stands on Silva's foot. There didn't even seem to be a review for Wilson's one. Silva's was a little more debatable the way he threw himself on the floor, but I would have wanted a pen if it'd been the other way around.

It does feel like they're making it as bad as possible so they can chalk it up to a failed experiment. It doesn't even add excitement on the TV cos you have no idea if they're reviewing it, other than the Sheff U game.
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That was why the Women’s World Cup turned into a farce. Referee took ages going and looking at monitor.

If they had followed the format the PL is using things would have been faster.
 
It's a real shame that this thread is now basically everyone saying how terrible VAR is, in the current format, rather than the argument of correct outcome vs emotions in the moment.

Has there been a single instance of VAR awarding a penalty, sending a player off etc that wasn't given? Has there been a penalty that was given, then overturned? I don't think there has. I find that pretty unbelievable after 40 games that there wasn't one single incident that the ref missed - in the situations that VAR is used. All I remember seeing is offsides and handball goals ruled out.

We aren't even really having discussions of whether we think VAR got it right or wrong, because they're basically just ignoring anything that isn't a handball or offside!
 
SlowDownDerek said:
What I would say, if you held a gun to my head and said I had to accept VAR (it wouldn't surprise me if this happened) and asked me how it should be used ... I'd take all red and yellow decisions off the guy in the middle.

Something happens and he blows for the foul then he asks them to make a decision on the card. The player gets told they are under review so they should act as if they are on a yellow because they could get sent off for two yellows if they do something else whilst under review. When asking for the review the ref tells them his soft signal and they go with that if it's borderline. Game carries on with no disruption and decision gets made. You'd need to decide if they can watch slowed down versions, personally I say no.
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How does your convoluted suggestion NOT disrupt a game!?
 
Coobster said:
It's a real shame that this thread is now basically everyone saying how terrible VAR is, in the current format, rather than the argument of correct outcome vs emotions in the moment.

Has there been a single instance of VAR awarding a penalty, sending a player off etc that wasn't given? Has there been a penalty that was given, then overturned? I don't think there has. I find that pretty unbelievable after 40 games that there wasn't one single incident that the ref missed - in the situations that VAR is used. All I remember seeing is offsides and handball goals ruled out.

We aren't even really having discussions of whether we think VAR got it right or wrong, because they're basically just ignoring anything that isn't a handball or offside!
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Because VAR just adds another layer of delay, and I dont care about the decisions it gets wrong or right. Its an unwelcome intrusion into football.
 
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