Non - Brexit

Johnson....whatever he is....is representing the English during this period of transition or whatever it is..that will do for now. ....the Irish can do ...for Ireland..
Look after your Own.... a good base to work from... if your a leader.
 
BillMcgarrycherry said:
Johnson....whatever he is....is representing the English during this period of transition or whatever it is..that will do for now. ....the Irish can do ...for Ireland..
Look after your Own.... a good base to work from... if your a leader.
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Things is Bill he is actually representing the BRITISH - and Scotland and most of Northern Ireland voted to remain.
 
punkrockcherry said:
Things is Bill he is actually representing the BRITISH - and Scotland and most of Northern Ireland voted to remain.
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They sure did....and they even have their own devolved administrations..and they can go for independence if they wish....lucky them.

Im English so ...I worry for England first....however arrogant and absurd that might seem!
 
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BillMcgarrycherry said:
They sure did....and they even have their own devolved administrations..and they can go for independence if they wish....lucky them.

Im English so ...I worry for England first.
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I am also English - the point I was trying to make was that as the Prime Minister of Great Britain and Northern Ireland Johnson should be acting in the best interests of all of us - and trying to get a deal through.

Much as I dislike wee Jimmy Krankie, I can sort of see her point when she said that the vote should have required a leave vote from all the individual nations in order to pass - although we would be remaining in those circumstances
 
These Extinction marches/ demos are interesting.....how will we deal with them if they persist in the same way as the Hong Kongers.
People at the less- moneyed ends of society are showing the Power of Community....about time!
 
punkrockcherry said:
I am also English - the point I was trying to make was that as the Prime Minister of Great Britain and Northern Ireland Johnson should be acting in the best interests of all of us - and trying to get a deal through.

Much as I dislike wee Jimmy Krankie, I can sort of see her point when she said that the vote should have required a leave vote from all the individual nations in order to pass - although we would be remaining in those circumstances
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You make a relevant point but..
Mrs May was trying to act in the interests of all but plenty of souls in Scotland and NI didnt want to play as well as here....so we have Boris....all it needed before was a togetherness across these Islands and outposts...including the two Irelands....one common factor being our geographical positions relative to France et al.
One day ....the pennies will drop!
 
punkrockcherry said:
I am also English - the point I was trying to make was that as the Prime Minister of Great Britain and Northern Ireland Johnson should be acting in the best interests of all of us - and trying to get a deal through.

Much as I dislike wee Jimmy Krankie, I can sort of see her point when she said that the vote should have required a leave vote from all the individual nations in order to pass - although we would be remaining in those circumstances
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If they wanted Scotland to be dealt with separately they should have voted for independence. They voted to stay in the UK so their votes get counted equally just like everyone elses.

How can one small part of the UK count more than another?
 
SlowDownDerek said:
If they wanted Scotland to be dealt with separately they should have voted for independence. They voted to stay in the UK so their votes get counted equally just like everyone elses.

How can one small part of the UK count more than another?
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I didn't say I think it should - I was pointing out to Bill that Johnson is PM of Great Britain and Northern Ireland - and as such should represent everybody - both remainers and leavers. He has an obligation to try and do the best for all of us. Our MPs SHOULD represent their constituents, rather than party or business interests, irrespective of whether we voted for them or not.

Many Scots who voted to remain a part of the UK have said that they would have voted for Independence if they had known the UK would leave the EU. They would like another Independence vote - but they need the agreement of the UK parliament to do that

Wee Jimmy Krankie claims she asked Cameron for the original vote to be carried out on this basis. He refused, convinced he could win without.

Northern Ireland has been a sticking point for the last 3 years - so Johnson cannot just act for England alone - particularly since the DUP have been propping up the Tories.
 
punkrockcherry said:
I didn't say I think it should - I was pointing out to Bill that Johnson is PM of Great Britain and Northern Ireland - and as such should represent everybody - both remainers and leavers. He has an obligation to try and do the best for all of us. Our MPs SHOULD represent their constituents, rather than party or business interests, irrespective of whether we voted for them or not.

Many Scots who voted to remain a part of the UK have said that they would have voted for Independence if they had known the UK would leave the EU. They would like another Independence vote - but they need the agreement of the UK parliament to do that

Wee Jimmy Krankie claims she asked Cameron for the original vote to be carried out on this basis. He refused, convinced he could win without.

Northern Ireland has been a sticking point for the last 3 years - so Johnson cannot just act for England alone - particularly since the DUP have been propping up the Tories.
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Bill is full of sh*t and you were right to correct him, although tbf he understands more than he lets on about northern Ireland and just tries to troll people with the jingoistic crap.

I can't agree with the rest of your posts - you're suggesting that Scottish or Welsh votes should count more than English votes. It does work. Sturgeon knows it but she's doing what she always does - trying to drive a wedge between England and Scotland. She'll ultimately be successful because, like with brexit, if you complain about the status quo long enough eventually you'll get what you want.

Heaven forbid that any parallels between brexit and Scottish independence are drawn though.
 
SlowDownDerek said:
Bill is full of sh*t and you were right to correct him, although tbf he understands more than he lets on about northern Ireland and just tries to troll people with the jingoistic crap.

I can't agree with the rest of your posts - you're suggesting that Scottish or Welsh votes should count more than English votes. It does work. Sturgeon knows it but she's doing what she always does - trying to drive a wedge between England and Scotland. She'll ultimately be successful because, like with brexit, if you complain about the status quo long enough eventually you'll get what you want.

Heaven forbid that any parallels between brexit and Scottish independence are drawn though.
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I am saying that Everybody's Vote should count - not that Wales or Scotland count more than England.

The Scottish Nationalists have become more successful because they have had years of being governed from London, often by a Conservative party with very few Scottish MPs. They don't feel that their views are represented by a UK Government.
Ruth Davidson was arguably the best hope for improving this situation. Unfortunately with Johnson as PM, she chose to step down as Scottish Tory leader.
Proportional representation would lead to fairer government for everybody - but the status quo won't agree - like turkeys voting for Christmas
 
SlowDownDerek said:
Bill is full of sh*t and you were right to correct him, although tbf he understands more than he lets on about northern Ireland and just tries to troll people with the jingoistic crap.

I can't agree with the rest of your posts - you're suggesting that Scottish or Welsh votes should count more than English votes. It does work. Sturgeon knows it but she's doing what she always does - trying to drive a wedge between England and Scotland. She'll ultimately be successful because, like with brexit, if you complain about the status quo long enough eventually you'll get what you want.

Heaven forbid that any parallels between brexit and Scottish independence are drawn though.
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Im watching Strictly....lots of jingoistic stuff....but getting a good Dereking on a Saturday night is Ok too! :giggle:
 
punkrockcherry said:
I am saying that Everybody's Vote should count - not that Wales or Scotland count more than England.
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They had previously voted overwhelmingly to remain in the UK so why should they be treated any differently when it comes to a referendum? You can't have your cake and eat it surely.... they all had the chance to vote.
 
red_house said:
They had previously voted overwhelmingly to remain in the UK so why should they be treated any differently when it comes to a referendum? You can't have your cake and eat it surely.... they all had the chance to vote.
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True - and they did vote - to remain in the EU - which is why Wee Jimmy Krankie wants another independence vote
 
red_house said:
If she did her homework she would see they really can't afford it.
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I'm not arguing about whether they can afford it or not.

Derek said I was saying that Scottish or Welsh votes should be more important than English votes - which wasn't what I was saying - but the position we are in, with the UK leaving the EU results in English votes counting for more than Scottish votes - which is why Wee Jimmy Krankie will kick off again.
 
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