W*tford vs 'Muff: The Dirtiest Team?

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So looking for the views of our always rational, emotionally stable friends on the Hornets Nest forum, I couldn't help but notice that many seem to be a tad...aggrieved at our tactics in the game on Saturday.

Some choice quotes include:
- "Bournemouth are the dirtiest cheating team we have to play in recent years"
- "They are a nasty side who want to break the legs of our players. It's out of order"
- Dear God :grinning: "Almost every game against them leaves me seething with rage at their disgusting, filthy tactics".

Et cetera, et cetera.

Now I'm not completely blind, the recent game was very spicy. Kelly should've been sent off for that tackle, was not a nice one. I don't think it's quite as bad as has been made out, but a definite red for sure. Billing could've had a red too- just like Garner and Chalobah. But these mystical dark arts that we supposedly employ, that make us the "dirtiest team in all the land"- it's a bit vague. Are we diving cheats, or bloodthirsty, feral hackers setting out to break the legs of every poor Watford player who's unfortunate to play against us? Or BOTH???

Unfortunately, there are no real, legitimate statistics online for simulation that I could find. I'm willing to admit that Fraser and Smith have been a bit liberal in this regard. Every team has someone that goes down easily. It would be ridiculous not to admit it. Watford, for example, have a proud lineage of divers stretching across our entire 7 year rivalry; from Forrestieri, to Capoue, to Deulofeu, to Pelican or Perica or whatever a few days ago; some really pathetic, objective playacting. I can't physically prove that they're worse at diving than us, so to any Hornets Nest Watford fans reading this: 1.) Eat **************** and 2.) Stop being such fucking hypocrites you absolute cretins.

So are we "a team of divers?". Nope, we are team with some divers in it, just like Watford, and just like every other club in the world. And no stat can prove otherwise. But are we a dirty team; a team of hackers, of constantly dishing out legbreaking tackles? Well funnily enough, there are several stats we can look at for this. If we were a dirty team, a dirtier team than Watford (who are so unbelievably uptight about this in particular), then the stats will surely back this up?

Right?? :grinning:


The Stats: Season by Season
We can start off with a look at where it all began; 2014-15. The year Watford bottled it and we became deserving Champions. I think if you were to look at the stats that are the best indicators of "dirty play", the 3 best bets would be fouls, bookings, and sending offs. Lets have a look shall we:

2014/15
Bournemouth:
Fouls: 466 (20th)
Bookings: 77 (11th)
Reds: 3 (17th)

Watford:
Fouls: 487 (19th)
Bookings: 75 (13th)
Reds: 7 (1st)

Interestingly enough, neither us nor Watford look particularly dirty yet. Watford just edge it by having the most red cards in the league, but nothing heinous really. I won't add any commentary on the rest of these seasons because I think you'll find the stats speak for themselves.

2015/16
Bournemouth:
Fouls: 361 (18th)
Bookings: 51 (16th)
Reds: 1 (17th)

Watford:
Fouls: 459 (3rd)
Bookings: 73 (2nd)
Reds: 3 (11th)


2016/17
Bournemouth:
Fouls: 368 (20th)
Bookings: 52 (20th)
Reds: 3 (7th)

Watford:
Fouls: 517 (1st)
Bookings: 84 (1st)
Reds: 5 (1st)


2017/18
Bournemouth:
Fouls: 339 (20th)
Bookings: 55 (12th)
Reds: 1 (17th)

Watford:
Fouls: 441 (2nd)
Bookings: 63 (7th)
Reds: 4 (3rd)


2018/19
Bournemouth:
Fouls: 340 (16th)
Bookings: 60 (9th)
Reds: 1 (17th)

Watford:
Fouls: 433 (2nd)
Bookings: 77 (1st)
Reds: 4 (2nd)


2019/20
Bournemouth:
Fouls: 369 (17th)
Bookings: 74 (4th)
Reds: 3 (10th)

Watford:
Fouls: 481 (1st)
Bookings: 76 (3rd)
Reds: 3 (6th)


2020/21 (so far)
Bournemouth:
Fouls: 95 (10th)
Bookings: 11 (13th)
Reds: 0 (21st)

Watford:
Fouls: 116 (2nd)
Bookings: 13 (1st)
Reds: 0 (14th)


Hang on a minute, these stats can't be right! You're telling me that Watford fans spout off about how dirty we are every. single. matchday- and yet they've outperformed us in these stats every single year, for 7 years straight? But why would they lie?! As a nice exclamation point on these stats, the totals over the 7 years are as follows:

Bournemouth:
Fouls: 2,338
Bookings: 380
Reds: 12

Watford:
Fouls: 2,934
Bookings: 461
Reds: 26

Over 600 more fouls...over 80 additional bookings...more than double the amount of red cards we've had. Well, according to the cold, hard numbers; not only are Watford a considerably dirtier team than us, they actually rank, over their recent 5 year stint in the PL, as one of the dirtiest teams in the entire league. Who'd have thunk it, eh? :grinning:. But it could be worse, at least they're not as dirty as someone like Wimbledon--

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I had a lot of fun making this, as you can probably tell :grinning:. So to conclude: Watford fans (or rather, the ones on the Hornets nest). Please stop bitching about how dirty we are, and have a long hard look in the mirror (as unpleasant as that might be). You're a dirtier team than Wimbledon in less games, you've had double our red cards, over 80 more bookings, committed over 600 more fouls than us. The best part being that, with an incredibly consistent management team, with the same ideas, with the same approach to the game, we have remained one of the least dirty teams in the PL. You, however, with your 13 managers in just over 7 years: the only consistent part of your philosophy has been being one of the dirtiest fucking teams in the country.

I guess being a bunch of nasty fuckers is just a part of your clubs DNA... https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/s...gises-for-okane-cartoon-in-watford-programme/
 
We all admit that we have some divers in our team.
For a lot of Eddie's reign, we simply refused to make tackles, which is why we let in so many goals. Explain how practically letting teams walk the ball into our net on occasion is dirty? :shake:

I hate how they forget the Pudil tackle on Okane. That match I remember at DC was complete awful from them, and very much not just that tackle.
 
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Ah, yes, all very good, however you seem to have forgotten that we somehow get favourable treatment from all the officials in every game that we play. Especially when playing Watford. It’s a conspiracy don’t ya know.
 
kirsikka said:
And those loveable scamps at Vicarage Road would never then glory in causing another professional a serious injury by publishing a hilarious illustration to celebrate it.

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PS Anyone here any good at drawing hilarious comedic illustrations?
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If I remember rightly this was included in the kids section of the program too. And yet we are somehow the “scum”....
 
Unfortunately the illustrator of this poor taste cartoon insults the memory of the late , great Terry Challis - whose cartoons of each Watford game in the Watford Observer were excellent and totally impartial.
This is just unpleasant.

I think these Watford fans spouting such vitriol towards us probably bet their houses on winning the league in 14/15 and have been seriously peeved ever since ....

Another reason I think is that apart from our recent rise through the leagues we had only the three seasons above the third tier under Redknapp and therefore we have always been viewed as a small , not-up-to-much club who should know their place .
We occasionally build good footballing teams but are a soft touch who lack the wizened “ professional gamesmanship “edge to be really successful against all these supposed “ huge , big , historic “ clubs bla bla bla .
All this changed under Eddie and Jason and we married the best football I’ve ever seen AFCB play to a dark edge which allowed us to properly mix it and help us get to the PL .
Now , I hate all the diving , thumping the turf as if fatally injured, crowding the red complaining , waving imaginary cards etc etc - not just from us but from anyone .
But we decided if you can’t beat them , join them so here we are .
 
Please can someone technically minded post that analysis on the WFC forum. I can write a paper about the sudden increase in burst aneurysms in the Herts region
 
NWCherries98 said:
So looking for the views of our always rational, emotionally stable friends on the Hornets Nest forum, I couldn't help but notice that many seem to be a tad...aggrieved at our tactics in the game on Saturday.

Some choice quotes include:
- "Bournemouth are the dirtiest cheating team we have to play in recent years"
- "They are a nasty side who want to break the legs of our players. It's out of order"
- Dear God :grinning: "Almost every game against them leaves me seething with rage at their disgusting, filthy tactics".

Et cetera, et cetera.

Now I'm not completely blind, the recent game was very spicy. Kelly should've been sent off for that tackle, was not a nice one. I don't think it's quite as bad as has been made out, but a definite red for sure. Billing could've had a red too- just like Garner and Chalobah. But these mystical dark arts that we supposedly employ, that make us the "dirtiest team in all the land"- it's a bit vague. Are we diving cheats, or bloodthirsty, feral hackers setting out to break the legs of every poor Watford player who's unfortunate to play against us? Or BOTH???

Unfortunately, there are no real, legitimate statistics online for simulation that I could find. I'm willing to admit that Fraser and Smith have been a bit liberal in this regard. Every team has someone that goes down easily. It would be ridiculous not to admit it. Watford, for example, have a proud lineage of divers stretching across our entire 7 year rivalry; from Forrestieri, to Capoue, to Deulofeu, to Pelican or Perica or whatever a few days ago; some really pathetic, objective playacting. I can't physically prove that they're worse at diving than us, so to any Hornets Nest Watford fans reading this: 1.) Eat **************** and 2.) Stop being such fucking hypocrites you absolute cretins.

So are we "a team of divers?". Nope, we are team with some divers in it, just like Watford, and just like every other club in the world. And no stat can prove otherwise. But are we a dirty team; a team of hackers, of constantly dishing out legbreaking tackles? Well funnily enough, there are several stats we can look at for this. If we were a dirty team, a dirtier team than Watford (who are so unbelievably uptight about this in particular), then the stats will surely back this up?

Right?? :grinning:


The Stats: Season by Season
We can start off with a look at where it all began; 2014-15. The year Watford bottled it and we became deserving Champions. I think if you were to look at the stats that are the best indicators of "dirty play", the 3 best bets would be fouls, bookings, and sending offs. Lets have a look shall we:

2014/15
Bournemouth:
Fouls: 466 (20th)
Bookings: 77 (11th)
Reds: 3 (17th)

Watford:
Fouls: 487 (19th)
Bookings: 75 (13th)
Reds: 7 (1st)

Interestingly enough, neither us nor Watford look particularly dirty yet. Watford just edge it by having the most red cards in the league, but nothing heinous really. I won't add any commentary on the rest of these seasons because I think you'll find the stats speak for themselves.

2015/16
Bournemouth:
Fouls: 361 (18th)
Bookings: 51 (16th)
Reds: 1 (17th)

Watford:
Fouls: 459 (3rd)
Bookings: 73 (2nd)
Reds: 3 (11th)


2016/17
Bournemouth:
Fouls: 368 (20th)
Bookings: 52 (20th)
Reds: 3 (7th)

Watford:
Fouls: 517 (1st)
Bookings: 84 (1st)
Reds: 5 (1st)


2017/18
Bournemouth:
Fouls: 339 (20th)
Bookings: 55 (12th)
Reds: 1 (17th)

Watford:
Fouls: 441 (2nd)
Bookings: 63 (7th)
Reds: 4 (3rd)


2018/19
Bournemouth:
Fouls: 340 (16th)
Bookings: 60 (9th)
Reds: 1 (17th)

Watford:
Fouls: 433 (2nd)
Bookings: 77 (1st)
Reds: 4 (2nd)


2019/20
Bournemouth:
Fouls: 369 (17th)
Bookings: 74 (4th)
Reds: 3 (10th)

Watford:
Fouls: 481 (1st)
Bookings: 76 (3rd)
Reds: 3 (6th)


2020/21 (so far)
Bournemouth:
Fouls: 95 (10th)
Bookings: 11 (13th)
Reds: 0 (21st)

Watford:
Fouls: 116 (2nd)
Bookings: 13 (1st)
Reds: 0 (14th)


Hang on a minute, these stats can't be right! You're telling me that Watford fans spout off about how dirty we are every. single. matchday- and yet they've outperformed us in these stats every single year, for 7 years straight? But why would they lie?! As a nice exclamation point on these stats, the totals over the 7 years are as follows:

Bournemouth:
Fouls: 2,338
Bookings: 380
Reds: 12

Watford:
Fouls: 2,934
Bookings: 461
Reds: 26

Over 600 more fouls...over 80 additional bookings...more than double the amount of red cards we've had. Well, according to the cold, hard numbers; not only are Watford a considerably dirtier team than us, they actually rank, over their recent 5 year stint in the PL, as one of the dirtiest teams in the entire league. Who'd have thunk it, eh? :grinning:. But it could be worse, at least they're not as dirty as someone like Wimbledon--

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Nevermind.


I had a lot of fun making this, as you can probably tell :grinning:. So to conclude: Watford fans (or rather, the ones on the Hornets nest). Please stop bitching about how dirty we are, and have a long hard look in the mirror (as unpleasant as that might be). You're a dirtier team than Wimbledon in less games, you've had double our red cards, over 80 more bookings, committed over 600 more fouls than us. The best part being that, with an incredibly consistent management team, with the same ideas, with the same approach to the game, we have remained one of the least dirty teams in the PL. You, however, with your 13 managers in just over 7 years: the only consistent part of your philosophy has been being one of the dirtiest fucking teams in the country.

I guess being a bunch of nasty fuckers is just a part of your clubs DNA... https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/s...gises-for-okane-cartoon-in-watford-programme/
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Fantastic work NW.....just confirms what we already knew ......Watford are cnuts and have alwsys been cnuts.
 
Interesting stats from the Watford forum who say we got relegated because VAR finally put paid to our cheating to get people sent off and win penalties:

19/20 - Red Cards for opposition 3, Penalties awarded to Bournemouth 4
18/19 - Red cards for opposition 9, Penalties awarded to Bournemouth 9

Would be interesting to see the stats for other seasons and for reds and penalties against us.... And Watfords stats for that matter.
 
Topfarrier said:
I'd love to but everything i post on there disappears in about 10 seconds.....their moderators really don't seem to like me.
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Because that bunch of hypocritical twunts can’t handle the truth

That they tried to kick us out of the Championship and have been trying to kick us out of every game since.

Until yesterday, when we finally gave some back.

Payback’s a bitch, Watford....
 
The underpinning thing about the Hornets Nest...is simply that they don't like dropping points to a club they regard as smaller than them...that's all its about !
Plus...For some years now we've replaced Luton as a hate target.
And..If we get separated from them by a large enough points total...it will all diminish.
Note:
Of course you have to add in our Title Grab on the last day courtesy of Sir Atdte Nuhui !
 
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