AFC Bournemouth v Stoke City - League Cup Third Round

[Neil Dawson]

Neil I think if most people are like me they see little point in replying after a while. It’s like trying to have a discussion with a broken record. You are very quick to judge players and like your match reports are always reactionary. We have a lot of young developing players and yet there’s not one I don’t doubt has talent and considerable potential. That’s what we pay for and have chosen to recruit this model since we first got into the PL. I’ll reiterate again I retrain real doubts about Blake but not Hughes and Foley Will ultimately make the call on them both. It’s not your money or mine - I’ll support whatever team is put on the pitch and for the time being I’ll leave thoughts of finance to those who are eminently more qualified than you or I. If I have to shake a bucket again - or traipse around East Dorset looking for a suitable place for a Phoenix Club to play then I’ll do so. I’m a fan not an auditor

Good post. I also support whatever team is on the pitch loudly and vociferously all over the county for many years so we are no different on that I’m sure. Please don’t confuse criticism on here with lack of support in a stadium.

We differ on opinion on whether we’ve spent the money wisely and whether fans should take an interest in finance but we are a broadchurch of support and that’s all the fun of forums like this.

 

[Topfarrier]

Who are you talking about?

Traore.

 

[OLDSKOOL]

We did indeed play Liverpool in an evening cup game, that must have been the League cup. Loads of half/half scarf sellers on all approaches. Does that mean, we will have to allocate them the Ted shed if they request it?

Quarter final , after we had knocked out WBA 2-1 in the previous round .
1-3 defeat .

 

[KingKieffer]

For what it’s worth, my opinion-

Traore certainly does have ability, I’ve seen enough of him to know that he will create chances if he plays. He possesses good vision and the ability to execute a defence splitting pass. The issue with him is that he finds himself in the unfortunate position whereby his game doesn’t suit the style of play our new manager wants to play, in the slightest. He’d be an asset in breaking down low blocks it a more possession based side. In a side that presses from the front and relies heavily on transitions to create, he is a passenger that we just can’t afford to carry. It’s not his fault either, he just doesn’t have the attributes required and in all honesty, I don’t think it can really be coached into him.

Dango is as erratic as anything, he spends a lot of the game looking like he has never kicked a ball before, and then out of nowhere will produce a piece of magic that not many players would be capable of. You kind of just have to understand and accept him for what he is, take the good with the bad if you like. There will be times where his ability to produce out of nothing will be invaluable, and others where his inclusion will be detrimental to the team. The key is picking and choosing the correct moments to include him. Unlike Traore, at least he has the physicality and energy levels to play the way the new manager wants.

I don’t think Traore was a bad signing in isolation, just a bad one in hindsight given the direction that we have taken.

 

[Neil Dawson]

For what it’s worth, my opinion-

Traore certainly does have ability, I’ve seen enough of him to know that he will create chances if he plays. He possesses good vision and the ability to execute a defence splitting pass. The issue with him is that he finds himself in the unfortunate position whereby his game doesn’t suit the style of play our new manager wants to play, in the slightest. He’d be an asset in breaking down low blocks it a more possession based side. In a side that presses from the front and relies heavily on transitions to create, he is a passenger that we just can’t afford to carry. It’s not his fault either, he just doesn’t have the attributes required and in all honesty, I don’t think it can really be coached into him.

Dango is as erratic as anything, he spends a lot of the game looking like he has never kicked a ball before, and then out of nowhere will produce a piece of magic that not many players would be capable of. You kind of just have to understand and accept him for what he is, take the good with the bad if you like. There will be times where his ability to produce out of nothing will be invaluable, and others where his inclusion will be detrimental to the team. The key is picking and choosing the correct moments to include him. Unlike Traore, at least he has the physicality and energy levels to play the way the new manager wants.

I don’t think Traore was a bad signing in isolation, just a bad one in hindsight given the direction that we have taken.

Yep I agree. Part of my issue has always been we have had no coherent strategy, moving blindly between the different styles of Tindall, Woodgate, Parker, GON and Iraola in three years.

No coherent strategy of a certain style of play or the players needed to suit that style. Hence Senesi a low block defender and Traore, potentially a low block beater left out of the side because of a new manager who plays with a high defensive line and an energetic press. Continual money down the drain.

Keep shuffling the managers though rather than look at the actual problem which is spending too much money on either poor or unsuitable players.

It won’t surprise me one jot if they dispense with Iraola at some point to save their talentless asses and bring in a manager who plays without wingers.

 

[SlowDownDerek]

For what it’s worth, my opinion-

Traore certainly does have ability, I’ve seen enough of him to know that he will create chances if he plays. He possesses good vision and the ability to execute a defence splitting pass. The issue with him is that he finds himself in the unfortunate position whereby his game doesn’t suit the style of play our new manager wants to play, in the slightest. He’d be an asset in breaking down low blocks it a more possession based side. In a side that presses from the front and relies heavily on transitions to create, he is a passenger that we just can’t afford to carry. It’s not his fault either, he just doesn’t have the attributes required and in all honesty, I don’t think it can really be coached into him.

Dango is as erratic as anything, he spends a lot of the game looking like he has never kicked a ball before, and then out of nowhere will produce a piece of magic that not many players would be capable of. You kind of just have to understand and accept him for what he is, take the good with the bad if you like. There will be times where his ability to produce out of nothing will be invaluable, and others where his inclusion will be detrimental to the team. The key is picking and choosing the correct moments to include him. Unlike Traore, at least he has the physicality and energy levels to play the way the new manager wants.

I don’t think Traore was a bad signing in isolation, just a bad one in hindsight given the direction that we have taken.

Spot on this.

 

[SlowDownDerek]

Yep I agree. Part of my issue has always been we have had no coherent strategy, moving blindly between the different styles of Tindall, Woodgate, Parker, GON and Iraola in three years.

No coherent strategy of a certain style of play or the players needed to suit that style. Hence Senesi a low block defender and Traore, potentially a low block beater left out of the side because of a new manager who plays with a high defensive line and an energetic press. Continual money down the drain.

Keep shuffling the managers though rather than look at the actual problem which is spending too much money on either poor or unsuitable players.

It won’t surprise me one jot if they dispense with Iraola at some point to save their talentless asses and bring in a manager who plays without wingers.

Lol, you've already formed your opinion as to who's fault it is if Iraola fails. Funny how when it was repeatedly pointed out to you that Gary O'Neil didn't have very good attacking players to work with (until he did and got good results) that you never accepted that it was anything other than the manager's fault we were losing.

This is the perfect example of your selective 'analysis' and how you are so completely blinkered by your dislike of two blokes.

 

[afcdibby]

Returning to an old favourite of a topic, searching.
North stand turnstile C. 3 queues staffed by 2 young blokes for the 'male' lines, and 1 lady for the 'female' line. The 2 blokes were just chatting to punters, not bothering to pad down anyone, even a group of young lads who would be most peoples candidates for carrying flares(generalisation I know). On the 3rd line, the female was padding down everyone, in same way we usually see most games

As has been said before, its the inconsistencies that bother people, and last night was at its most extreme Ive seen.
Final point, this also evidences it clearly isnt the security that causes the long queues, its the turnstiles, combination of quantity and people not knowing what to do!

Always queues for midweek cup games. As you say, it's the inexperience of using the barcode readers at the turnstiles.

 

[TrevorMorganFanClub]

To be fair to Neil, he's been banging on about our "failed transfer policy" since long before EH kept buying younger players with a sell-on value instead of the oft-demanded experienced players.

It probably started before SO'D kept bringing in players that weren't tall enough - but at least he's been consistent that virtually all our signings are rubbish, just not always about who's fault it is

 

[afcdibby]

So I will keep calling it out and everyone can feel free to refute it. Although I’ve noticed even fewer are as the weeks pass.

Could that be, because the majority of posters are completely bored with it now?
Or, do you genuinely believe, more are seeing what you're seeing?

 

[SlowDownDerek]

To be fair to Neil, he's been banging on about our "failed transfer policy" since long before EH kept buying younger players with a sell-on value instead of the oft-demanded experienced players.

It probably started before SO'D kept bringing in players that weren't tall enough - but at least he's been consistent that virtually all our signings are rubbish, just not always about who's fault it is

I think the club is something that is a constant source of disappointment for Neil. Always has been.

 

[KingKieffer]

Yep I agree. Part of my issue has always been we have had no coherent strategy, moving blindly between the different styles of Tindall, Woodgate, Parker, GON and Iraola in three years.

No coherent strategy of a certain style of play or the players needed to suit that style. Hence Senesi a low block defender and Traore, potentially a low block beater left out of the side because of a new manager who plays with a high defensive line and an energetic press. Continual money down the drain.

Keep shuffling the managers though rather than look at the actual problem which is spending too much money on either poor or unsuitable players.

It won’t surprise me one jot if they dispense with Iraola at some point to save their talentless asses and bring in a manager who plays without wingers.

The point you make is certainly a valid one, we spent a lot of money on players that we’re acquired to play a certain way, and then totally changed direction.

I don’t think that this is that uncommon though, managers quite often come and go and players are then found surplus to requirements and then moved on because of this, even ones that were acquired for big fees recently. It’s kind of the nature of the game.

At the time we signed Traore we really desperately needed a creative spark as we just weren’t creating nearly enough, as it transpires he got injured and wasn’t used anyway, and we ended up appointing a manager with a style of play that doesn’t suit him. In hindsight I’m sure we wouldn’t have signed him but in this case I feel it’s overly harsh to use his signing to criticise the recruitment team. They had no way of knowing Iraola would become available and end up here, they were just recruiting to stay in the league.

 

[afcdibby]

Quarter final , after we had knocked out WBA 2-1 in the previous round .
1-3 defeat .

We went to both, but I seem to remember some games more than others.
Bizarrely, I can remember the Baggies game because when they equalised, they started the boing boing, then we went down the other end and scored, and the boing boing stopped. It cracked us both up.

 

[OLDSKOOL]

We went to both, but I seem to remember some games more than others.
Bizarrely, I can remember the Baggies game because when they equalised, they started the boing boing, then we went down the other end and scored, and the boing boing stopped. It cracked us both up.

Nice . The atmosphere that night was one of the best I’ve experienced at DC - Wilson scoring straight after the equaliser… place was rockin ‘ .

 

[Neil Dawson]

The point you make is certainly a valid one, we spent a lot of money on players that we’re acquired to play a certain way, and then totally changed direction.

I don’t think that this is that uncommon though, managers quite often come and go and players are then found surplus to requirements and then moved on because of this, even ones that were acquired for big fees recently. It’s kind of the nature of the game.

At the time we signed Traore we really desperately needed a creative spark as we just weren’t creating nearly enough, as it transpires he got injured and wasn’t used anyway, and we ended up appointing a manager with a style of play that doesn’t suit him. In hindsight I’m sure we wouldn’t have signed him but in this case I feel it’s overly harsh to use his signing to criticise the recruitment team. They had no way of knowing Iraola would become available and end up here, they were just recruiting to stay in the league.

Yes but a top level CEO and DOF would have a strategy built around a style of play and style of player and a list of managers at different levels of cost to reflect changing circumstances. Proactive rather than reactive.

 

[Neil Dawson]

I think the club is something that is a constant source of disappointment for Neil. Always has been.

What a load of crap. Other than family and friends this club has brought me more joy than anything.

 

[OLDSKOOL]

For what it’s worth, my opinion-

Traore certainly does have ability, I’ve seen enough of him to know that he will create chances if he plays. He possesses good vision and the ability to execute a defence splitting pass. The issue with him is that he finds himself in the unfortunate position whereby his game doesn’t suit the style of play our new manager wants to play, in the slightest. He’d be an asset in breaking down low blocks it a more possession based side. In a side that presses from the front and relies heavily on transitions to create, he is a passenger that we just can’t afford to carry. It’s not his fault either, he just doesn’t have the attributes required and in all honesty, I don’t think it can really be coached into him.

Dango is as erratic as anything, he spends a lot of the game looking like he has never kicked a ball before, and then out of nowhere will produce a piece of magic that not many players would be capable of. You kind of just have to understand and accept him for what he is, take the good with the bad if you like. There will be times where his ability to produce out of nothing will be invaluable, and others where his inclusion will be detrimental to the team. The key is picking and choosing the correct moments to include him. Unlike Traore, at least he has the physicality and energy levels to play the way the new manager wants.

I don’t think Traore was a bad signing in isolation, just a bad one in hindsight given the direction that we have taken.

Absolutely this - last night a case in point … Dango creating a chance with a glorious drag back one minute then a wild slash pass/shot/hood the next .
Traore made a sublime pass in the first half inside to Brooks I think it was , top class . But then I didn’t notice him apart from that …

 

[darwinsdummy]

For what it’s worth, my opinion-

Traore certainly does have ability, I’ve seen enough of him to know that he will create chances if he plays. He possesses good vision and the ability to execute a defence splitting pass. The issue with him is that he finds himself in the unfortunate position whereby his game doesn’t suit the style of play our new manager wants to play, in the slightest. He’d be an asset in breaking down low blocks it a more possession based side. In a side that presses from the front and relies heavily on transitions to create, he is a passenger that we just can’t afford to carry. It’s not his fault either, he just doesn’t have the attributes required and in all honesty, I don’t think it can really be coached into him.

Dango is as erratic as anything, he spends a lot of the game looking like he has never kicked a ball before, and then out of nowhere will produce a piece of magic that not many players would be capable of. You kind of just have to understand and accept him for what he is, take the good with the bad if you like. There will be times where his ability to produce out of nothing will be invaluable, and others where his inclusion will be detrimental to the team. The key is picking and choosing the correct moments to include him. Unlike Traore, at least he has the physicality and energy levels to play the way the new manager wants.

I don’t think Traore was a bad signing in isolation, just a bad one in hindsight given the direction that we have taken.

Regarding Traore, I don't disagree with your assessment of his quality, I think he is better at breaking down a defense than high intensity pressing (though how much of the latter can be trained into him I think will take more time to see, I'll give him a year with Iraola before saying he'll never fit it). However, the situation of the game doesn't mean that the high pressing is what we'll be doing all 90 minutes, against teams we'll sometimes go down a goal and they'll try to batten down the hatches like GON would last season. In those situations, Traore is an excellent sub to bring on.

In brief, I would say that his current role in the team is very situational, but with time he may (or may not) pick up the skills to be in more regular contention.

 

[Neil Dawson]

Could that be, because the majority of posters are completely bored with it now?
Or, do you genuinely believe, more are seeing what you're seeing?

Well nobody used to think Traore and Dango were over priced but quite a few now saying it both on here and other forms of media.

 

[Neil Dawson]

To be fair to Neil, he's been banging on about our "failed transfer policy" since long before EH kept buying younger players with a sell-on value instead of the oft-demanded experienced players.

It probably started before SO'D kept bringing in players that weren't tall enough - but at least he's been consistent that virtually all our signings are rubbish, just not always about who's fault it is

I’ve criticised recruitment when it was poor and celebrated it when it was good. You are going back a long time and just picking out eras to prove your point.

Yes SOD used to recruit too many players unsuitable for lower divisions, Eddies early PL recruitment poor and this splurge of cash hasn’t delivered what it could.

but… Eddies latter PL recruitment was excellent as was his lower division recruitment, Harry’s was superb until Div 2, Bradburys was stunning, Machin bought very well generally.