Brooks and Kelly injuries

Have I missed it, but have the club confirmed these reports? Shows where we've got to if national press are first with our injury news!!

Lloyd Kelly can be covered with Rico/Smith at LB but does leave us short on cover. More concerned with Brooks. Even if we bring wingers in they won't be up to speed. Maybe time for front 3 of King, Wilson and Fraser and bllod a young CM
 
mark pike said:
Why oh why do we suffer this catastrophic injury crisis every season?
No other club appears to be able to get near us for pre season long term injuries! It can’t be coincidence every season.
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It isn’t coincidence, although some people don’t like hearing it on here.

We work our players to the bone. This is so evidenced through the fact they always finish the season exhausted despite not having played any cup games and having gone abroad twice to relax. Other squads play through the cup competitons and Europe in some cases and still look fresher than us come April.

Overstretched bodies become tired and more injury prone and muscles/ligaments become stretched.

People used to say back to me it was the only way our less talented squad could survive. They may have had a point in our first season but since then I’m not sure we need to work too hard. And after another preseason of lots of friendlies where the team splits to play full 90s and hot weather camps the injuries rack up again.

We have nobody in the coaching squad who was or had the experience of working with elite athletes. Still (usual suspects) keep ignoring the evidence and believe your own blinkered faith.
 
Neil Dawson said:
It isn’t coincidence, although some people don’t like hearing it on here.

We work our players to the bone. This is so evidenced through the fact they always finish the season exhausted despite not having played any cup games and having gone abroad twice to relax. Other squads play through the cup competitons and Europe in some cases and still look fresher than us come April.

Overstretched bodies become tired and more injury prone and muscles/ligaments become stretched.

People used to say back to me it was the only way our less talented squad could survive. They may have had a point in our first season but since then I’m not sure we need to work too hard. And after another preseason of lots of friendlies where the team splits to play full 90s and hot weather camps the injuries rack up again.

We have nobody in the coaching squad who was or had the experience of working with elite athletes. Still (usual suspects) keep ignoring the evidence and believe your own blinkered faith.
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God the seasons not even started and Neil, the 'expert' on coaching, nepotism and training is presenting us with his skewed 'facts'.

Are the players not supposed to do any training? You say "lots of friendlies" but admit players feature in roughly 50% of them. Other teams go to hot weather camps.

I dont mind "hearing it on here". I find it rather your theories are really just opinions that you try and present as truth. Give us some statistical evidence, which includes comparisons with other teams.
 
Let's see how we get on against Lazio and Lyon bringing in some of our own youngsters. We have got some decent U21's but haven't really blooded any in the Premier League. I agree that we lack someone of International/played at the highest level in our coaching set up. Tindall, Weatherstone, Fletch, Purchy and co were pretty average journeyman players to be guiding our top level premier League/International players
 
Rob. This whole thread is full of people talking about how many injuries we have. Taking this many into a season is ridiculous. There were stats produced last year about clubs with serious injuries and we were top. Eddie said he was going to look into it as it bothered him.


Not sure what else you need. I’m also not saying my opinions are truth. How could they be? Not even the club know. It’s just my opinion... but it is based on facts, just my interpretation of them.
 
Neil Dawson said:
Rob. This whole thread is full of people talking about how many injuries we have. Taking this many into a season is ridiculous. There were stats produced last year about clubs with serious injuries and we were top. Eddie said he was going to look into it as it bothered him.


Not sure what else you need. I’m also not saying my opinions are truth. How could they be? Not even the club know. It’s just my opinion... but it is based on facts, just my interpretation of them.
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Why would training 'Elite' athletes be any different to training any other Neil?.....as i've said before in the equine world its a lot easier to keep the elite horses sound as they are Superior athletes and as such find the work much easier........wouldn't this be the same with any sport?.....just can't see your reasoning tbh.
 
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Why would training 'Elite' athletes be any different to training any other Neil?.....as i've said before in the equine world its a lot easier to keep the elite horses sound as they are Superior athletes and as such find the work much easier........wouldn't this be the same with any sport?.....just can't see your reasoning tbh.
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Because we achieved success by working less talented players to cover more distance than more talented players. You could see it in all of our stats. When you have more talented players there is no need. They should be trained differently to avoid stress on their bodies.

Horses are different because you don’t train one to run further than another in a race. They all run the same amount.

Do you think our constant injuries are just coincidence?
 
Neil Dawson said:
Rob. This whole thread is full of people talking about how many injuries we have. Taking this many into a season is ridiculous. There were stats produced last year about clubs with serious injuries and we were top. Eddie said he was going to look into it as it bothered him.


Not sure what else you need. I’m also not saying my opinions are truth. How could they be? Not even the club know. It’s just my opinion... but it is based on facts, just my interpretation of them.
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The "whole thread" isn't evidence of anything, just people spouting opinions. You actually said people ignore the "evidence". I dont think the evidence stacks up.
 
Neil Dawson said:
It isn’t coincidence, although some people don’t like hearing it on here.

We work our players to the bone. This is so evidenced through the fact they always finish the season exhausted despite not having played any cup games and having gone abroad twice to relax. Other squads play through the cup competitons and Europe in some cases and still look fresher than us come April.

Overstretched bodies become tired and more injury prone and muscles/ligaments become stretched.

People used to say back to me it was the only way our less talented squad could survive. They may have had a point in our first season but since then I’m not sure we need to work too hard. And after another preseason of lots of friendlies where the team splits to play full 90s and hot weather camps the injuries rack up again.

We have nobody in the coaching squad who was or had the experience of working with elite athletes. Still (usual suspects) keep ignoring the evidence and believe your own blinkered faith.
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Your ability to link things to the experience in our coaching squad is absolutely breathtaking.

Whilst there may be some truth in working our players to the bone what on earth would having a player with top level experience in coaching do for our injury record? Surely that's a medical/sports science issue that needs professionals in those fields - maybe we could get Paul Merson in to have a reckon about the strain that is being put on our players during training.

Do you even know who works for the sports science department for the club? What is your opinion based on here? Looks to me like you're trying to crowbar another problem to blame on your tired nepotism argument. What else will you blame on Eddie's mates being in the coaching set up? The long queues at cup games?
 
Neil Dawson said:
Because we achieved success by working less talented players to cover more distance than more talented players. You could see it in all of our stats. When you have more talented players there is no need. They should be trained differently to avoid stress on their bodies.

Horses are different because you don’t train one to run further than another in a race. They all run the same amount.

Do you think our constant injuries are just coincidence?
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Horses are not different. I certainly wouldn't train a sprinter the same way as a stayer. Horses are athletes too, they all get their niggles, so they go on the easy list. The biggest headache for a trainer is trying to keep a horse sound, overworking a horse who has tendencies to get injured is a sure way to see it stay in the barn.
 
mark pike said:
Why oh why do we suffer this catastrophic injury crisis every season?
No other club appears to be able to get near us for pre season long term injuries! It can’t be coincidence every season.
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I’m going to stick it out there that last season we started the season more or less injury free? Possibly just Stanislas and Lerma who weren’t match fit?
 
...it is a squad game and i guess injuries happen all the time in the modern game which is more demanding physically than it ever used to be. We are training 'athletes' and they pick up injuries all the time too.
I am sure that many medical experts have been consulted as to our training methods, it would foolish not to have that expert advice being used. The things that probably can be controlled are how we do contact in training I suppose to prevent niggly injuries from 'friendly fire'

We have cover in all positions and we will start the season with gusto and optimism I am sure!...

I see Spurs lost Foyth to a bad injury yesterday...poo happens as they say!
 
Neil Dawson said:
It isn’t coincidence, although some people don’t like hearing it on here.

We work our players to the bone. This is so evidenced through the fact they always finish the season exhausted despite not having played any cup games and having gone abroad twice to relax. Other squads play through the cup competitons and Europe in some cases and still look fresher than us come April.

Overstretched bodies become tired and more injury prone and muscles/ligaments become stretched.

People used to say back to me it was the only way our less talented squad could survive. They may have had a point in our first season but since then I’m not sure we need to work too hard. And after another preseason of lots of friendlies where the team splits to play full 90s and hot weather camps the injuries rack up again.

We have nobody in the coaching squad who was or had the experience of working with elite athletes. Still (usual suspects) keep ignoring the evidence and believe your own blinkered faith.
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Blimey Neil. You often make good points, but really?
The players have played 1 1/2 games each. Most of the top clubs have been traipsing all round the world.

As for the elite athletes, we have top sports science people etc

Our team stats have changed significantly over the seasons, with less possession and running, which rather contradicts your point about the first season.

As for the coaching and transfers I think Eddie and his background team have done bloody well all in all. I dont really get your obsession with it - for example Mark Spitz coach famously couldn't even swim.
 
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Neil Dawson said:
We have nobody in the coaching squad who was or had the experience of working with elite athletes. Still (usual suspects) keep ignoring the evidence and believe your own blinkered faith.
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I don't disagree that our training may have something to do with our injuries - even the club suspects so, hence the investigation into training. But jumping to the conclusion that staff experience is the problem is where you lose me. I know we've covered this before, but our club doctor was head of medical for the Springbok Rugby Team, our strength coach and one of the physios also worked at top rugby clubs, Johnny King from the medical team spent two years at a sports medicine facility for elite athletes in Doha (specialising in foot and ankle injuries), etc.

For a club of our stature, that's already quite a lot of top-level experience, particularly in the medical department. But also, where are the additional "elite" coaches and staff that we should be employing? Mostly at the elite clubs I imagine.

I think questioning training is fine, but jumping to conclusions on staff experience just doesn't add up.
 
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klaus_afcb said:
I'm don't disagree that our training may have something to do with our injuries - even the club suspects so, hence the investigation into training. But jumping to the conclusion that staff experience is the problem is where you lose me. I know we've covered this before, but our club doctor was head of medical for the Springbok Rugby Team, our strength coach and one of the physios also worked at top rugby clubs, Johnny King from the medical team spent two years at a sports medicine facility for elite athletes in Doha (specialising in foot and ankle injuries), etc.

For a club of our stature, that's already quite a lot of top-level experience, particularly in the medical department. But also, where are the additional "elite" coaches and staff that we should be employing? Mostly at the elite clubs I imagine.

I think questioning training is fine, but jumping to conclusions on staff experience just doesn't add up.
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He's too busy trying to blame every problem on the same thing that he's completely lost the plot.

These players get paid tens, sometimes hundreds of thousands per week. Top medical care, specialist consultants, rehabilitation, etc. cost a fortune. The financial risk of relegation because an injury crisis affects results... etc etc ... There is an absolute fortune at stake. The idea that the money men at the club would put up with these injuries just because Eddie wanted his pals in place is absurd. Add to that the idea that Eddie would naïvley plod along year after year taking injuries on the chin without thinking that he might get some expert advice on how to help solve the problem. It's as if Neil is suggesting Eddie isn't the most pissed off person on the planet about AFCB's sustained injury crisis.

Add to all of that, as Klaus has pointed out, we DO have a load of decent experience in our medical and sports science department - throw in a decent side point that it is doubtful that Neil has the first clue what skills they have or haven't got (do any of us?).

Neil's talking complete b*llocks on this one.
 
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