AFC Bournemouth v Stoke City - League Cup Third Round

KingKieffer said:
The point you make is certainly a valid one, we spent a lot of money on players that we’re acquired to play a certain way, and then totally changed direction.

I don’t think that this is that uncommon though, managers quite often come and go and players are then found surplus to requirements and then moved on because of this, even ones that were acquired for big fees recently. It’s kind of the nature of the game.

At the time we signed Traore we really desperately needed a creative spark as we just weren’t creating nearly enough, as it transpires he got injured and wasn’t used anyway, and we ended up appointing a manager with a style of play that doesn’t suit him. In hindsight I’m sure we wouldn’t have signed him but in this case I feel it’s overly harsh to use his signing to criticise the recruitment team. They had no way of knowing Iraola would become available and end up here, they were just recruiting to stay in the league.
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Iraola is supposedly a manager who has had to work with limited resources in the past, this will be one of the reasons he's got this job. For Neil to suggest that all of our existing signings should be tailor made for him is silly. No manager ever walks into a squad that fits their style. This one has had one transfer window, if that. He'll mould the players to fit his style or get rid.
 
SlowDownDerek said:
Iraola is supposedly a manager who has had to work with limited resources in the past, this will be one of the reasons he's got this job. For Neil to suggest that all of our existing signings should be tailor made for him is silly. No manager ever walks into a squad that fits their style. This one has had one transfer window, if that. He'll mould the players to fit his style or get rid.
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If I’d said ‘all of our existing signings should be tailor made for him’ it would be silly.

Which is why I didn’t say it other than in the Neil voice in your head again…
 
Neil Dawson said:
If I’d said ‘all of our existing signings should be tailor made for him’ it would be silly.

Which is why I didn’t say it other than in the Neil voice in your head again…
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Yes Neil, I exaggerated to prove the point again. You understand the point though. Traore may well not fit Iraola's style. Sh*t happens. Managers have to deal with the squads they inherent all the time. This guy is supposed to be a specialist at it.
 
What if ND is right about the executives Blake and Hughes...I think there's a 75 to 80% chance that he is ...our Recruitment is a chaotic mess...whichever way you cut it...
..we have 3 points from 6 games..compared with 7 points from 6 last season from the combined efforts of Parker and O' Neil, two seemingly inept managers.

But where we are is where we are.

What HAS TO HAPPEN on Saturday is that the Team...and I don't care who is picked to start or who is on the bench.. the team has to attack Arsenal with vim and verve, passionate aggression and whatever else can be pulled together on the day !
Every single one of the attacks toward Arsenal's goal MUST be accompanied by a ROAR , the magnitude of which must be of the noise level you find at Newcastle, Sunderland, Middlesboro, Swansea, Pompey and many grounds in Scotland.. ....every attack throughout the 95 minutes with zero let up ...whatever the score at any given point....
It's no good thinking that the points will magically accumulate in the subsequent 'easy run'. ..v Everton, Wolves and Burnley..

And after that. it's Liverpool, Man City and Newcastle.
The Liverpool and Newcastle games are at DC...so exactly the same criteria applies...as with the Arsenal game.

Anything less than what i've said in this bleating overture... sees the club plummeting into the Abyss.

The Forum need others to offer up what they think is wrong and needs 'Putting in the Rembrandt'.
 
New Old Cherry said:
What if ND is right about the executives Blake and Hughes...I think there's a 75 to 80% chance that he is ...our Recruitment is a chaotic mess...whichever way you cut it...
..we have 3 points from 6 games..compared with 7 points from 6 last season from the combined efforts of Parker and O' Neil, two seemingly inept managers.

But where we are is where we are.

What HAS TO HAPPEN on Saturday is that the Team...and I don't care who is picked to start or who is on the bench.. the team has to attack Arsenal with vim and verve, passionate aggression and whatever else can be pulled together on the day !
Every single one of the attacks toward Arsenal's goal MUST be accompanied by a ROAR , the magnitude of which must be of the noise level you find at Newcastle, Sunderland, Middlesboro, Swansea, Pompey and many grounds in Scotland.. ....every attack throughout the 95 minutes with zero let up ...whatever the score at any given point....
It's no good thinking that the points will magically accumulate in the subsequent 'easy run'. ..v Everton, Wolves and Burnley..

And after that. it's Liverpool, Man City and Newcastle.
The Liverpool and Newcastle games are at DC...so exactly the same criteria applies...as with the Arsenal game.

Anything less than what i've said in this bleating overture... sees the club plummeting into the Abyss.

The Forum need others to offer up what they think is wrong and needs 'Putting in the Rembrandt'.
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If he's right then they'll replace him/them.

The team will still be playing.
 
SlowDownDerek said:
Yes Neil, I exaggerated to prove the point again. You understand the point though. Traore may well not fit Iraola's style. Sh*t happens. Managers have to deal with the squads they inherent all the time. This guy is supposed to be a specialist at it.
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You are missing my point. A top level CEO and DOF would have decided on a style of football, recruited players and managers to that style. Not flopped around interviewing John Terry, Thierry Henri, Marco Bielsa and wildly chucking cash and accumulating players with no thought to a style and strategy. And then to overstack one position and under stack others. Leaving a new manager with both unsuitable players and an imbalanced squad depth.

I know you won’t agree with this, maybe try to let it lie rather than reply and elongate the thread. I respect your view, this just happens to be mine.
 
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purbeck67 said:
I hope that this becomes the most famous tweet ever in the history of AFC Bournemouth forums ;)
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That would be brilliant. In fact, it'll be great if a team other than Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester United, City or Arsenal win it. Assuming it's not us, Newcastle would be great even if Flash Gordon plays for them.
 
KingKieffer said:
For what it’s worth, my opinion-

Traore certainly does have ability, I’ve seen enough of him to know that he will create chances if he plays. He possesses good vision and the ability to execute a defence splitting pass. The issue with him is that he finds himself in the unfortunate position whereby his game doesn’t suit the style of play our new manager wants to play, in the slightest. He’d be an asset in breaking down low blocks it a more possession based side. In a side that presses from the front and relies heavily on transitions to create, he is a passenger that we just can’t afford to carry. It’s not his fault either, he just doesn’t have the attributes required and in all honesty, I don’t think it can really be coached into him.

Dango is as erratic as anything, he spends a lot of the game looking like he has never kicked a ball before, and then out of nowhere will produce a piece of magic that not many players would be capable of. You kind of just have to understand and accept him for what he is, take the good with the bad if you like. There will be times where his ability to produce out of nothing will be invaluable, and others where his inclusion will be detrimental to the team. The key is picking and choosing the correct moments to include him. Unlike Traore, at least he has the physicality and energy levels to play the way the new manager wants.

I don’t think Traore was a bad signing in isolation, just a bad one in hindsight given the direction that we have taken.
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Also, there was the obligation to buy, wasn't there? I think given enough of a chance, he'd do well in time, but he has to get ahead of Billing and Christie for that attacking midfield role. Billing can then also play more defensively even though I don't think that's where he's best. Traore hasn't seemed great defensively in the few opportunities he's had, which might be part of why he hasn't been favoured. He might well get a chance as an attacking midfielder if Billing or Christie get injured, though.
 
New Old Cherry said:
What if ND is right about the executives Blake and Hughes...I think there's a 75 to 80% chance that he is ...our Recruitment is a chaotic mess...whichever way you cut it...
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Dear Brian

You've forgotten the golden rule of the forum. It's only shit when we're losing.
 
Neil Dawson said:
You are missing my point. A top level CEO and DOF would have decided on a style of football, recruited players and managers to that style. Not flopped around interviewing John Terry, Thierry Henri, Marco Bielsa and wildly chucking cash and accumulating players with no thought to a style and strategy. And then to overstack one position and under stack others. Leaving a new manager with both unsuitable players and an imbalanced squad depth.

I know you won’t agree with this, maybe try to let it lie rather than reply and elongate the thread. I respect your view, this just happens to be mine.
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Yeah you constantly say all of this like you know what you're talking about. The previous style of play came from the pragmatism of needing to get back in the division in order to sell the club. O'Neil clearly wasn't their preferred choice but he was good enough to secure the primary goal to stay in the division. As were the January signings. Foley has said the managerial change was about changing style of play as much as anything and the new signings appear to be aimed at facilitating that. To expect a long-term transfer plan through all of that is for the birds.

One transfer window the guy has had and his squad isn't a perfect fit. Well I never.
 
Neil Dawson said:
You are missing my point. A top level CEO and DOF would have decided on a style of football, recruited players and managers to that style. Not flopped around interviewing John Terry, Thierry Henri, Marco Bielsa
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Have you never interviewed candidates you have no intention of employing in order to find out what your competitors are up to? Not all interviews are what they seem.
 
afcdibby said:
Over 10,200 there tonight and the away section was half empty.
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This for me is how the potential growth of AFCB support should be considered. We had similar situations over recent seasons where we sold out home support for mid-week League Cup games against lower league opposition (MK Dons, Forest Green Rovers, Blackburn). DC was full of new faces, particularly youngsters, who have over many years found it impossible to get tickets for league games. Foley and his guard dog Frevola would do well to take this into consideration for whatever their 'new stadium algorithms' are showing. The current go/no-go decisions on a new stadium potentially based on £18 tickets sold for mid-summer friendlies or £139 tickets sold for a seat in a temporary stand with a cheese burger included, are so far from reality it's embarrassing.
 
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