Non - Brexit

dutchcherry said:
He is quiet because he never wanted Leave to win, he just wanted to be a part of a valiant loss. He is such a fraud, he had two articles written to submit pre referendum. One remain, one leave. He chose leave as he thought last minute that's the best chance, short term, to possibly be Prime Minister.
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Actually if you read some of Boris Johnson books which are basically columns that he wrote 20 or more years ago while working in Brussels and the EU parliament, and then for the Telegraph he was absolutely scathing of the EU and so much of what he predicted in those columns has come true.
 
The Germans always have the best ideas! They sub-contracted us to flatten all the houses in Dresden and Berlin etc. We paid for the demolition machinery and materials ourselves..did the job for nought but glory......and their builders got paid big deutchmarks for re- erecting brand new cities !
Taint right, fair or proper !
 
After her massive defeat not long ago in the Commons, is Theresa May going to pull ‘the rabbit out of the hat’ and get her deal through?


Theresa May has received a major Brexit boost ahead of key Commons votes with an endorsement of her deal from the Tories' backbench leader.

Sir Graham Brady, the powerful chairman of the 1922 Committee, has said he is ready to drop his opposition to the prime minister's contentious deal.
In a hard-hitting article in the Mail on Sunday, Sir Graham denounces the government's handling of the Brexit negotiations as "lions led by donkeys".

But, signalling that he is now ready to back the PM's deal, he concludes: "The whole country is tired of vacillation and delay.

"When the right compromise is offered, we should pull together behind the Prime Minister and help her to deliver our exit from the European Union on March 29."

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-b...-brady-signals-he-will-back-her-deal-11653668
 
Farage;
The truth about this bloke is yet to be pulled out....all that Ukip stuff was just a vehicle to transport the worst kind of Tory to Fame....thats all the narcissistic smarmy prat wanted.....so quick to get out of Ukip when it lost its mandate to circumstances! And of course he wasnt bothered...he only needs to write crap books or appear on reality shows to stay in that craved but InFamous Fame!
 
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BillMcgarrycherry said:
Farage;
The truth about this bloke is yet to be pulled out....all that Ukip stuff was just a vehicle to transport the worst kind of Tory to Fame....thats all the narcissistic smarmy prat wanted.....so quick to get out of Ukip when it lost its mandate to circumstances! And of course he wasnt bothered...he only needs to write crap books or appear on reality shows to stay in that craved but InFamous Fame!
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Agreed. He got out of Ukip so he could distance himself from the problems created by this difficult process, but could then return and claim betrayal by those who had to try and create a plan.
 
The real work starts post 29 March,

British businesses reported their weakest growth in nearly six years during the past three months due to fears of a no-deal Brexit and rising global trade barriers, the Confederation of British Industry said on Sunday.
The CBI's index of private-sector activity over the past three months dropped to -3 in February from zero in January.
This was its lowest since April 2013, when Britain was still recovering from the global financial crisis. Firms expected similar weakness in the three months ahead, when Britain is due to leave the European Union after over 40 years of membership.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/new...bi/ar-BBUiNVM?MSCC=1551634746&ocid=spartandhp

Looks like trickle down still isn't working,

the prime minister insisted: "Communities across the country voted for Brexit as an expression of their desire to see change - that must be a change for the better, with more opportunity and greater control.
"These towns have a glorious heritage, huge potential and, with the right help, a bright future ahead of them."
She said prosperity had been "unfairly spread" for "too long".

A £1.6bn fund is being launched by the government to boost less well-off towns after Brexit over the next six years.
The pot will be broken down into £1bn, given out using a needs-based formula, and £600m communities can bid for.
More than half of the money will go to the north of England and the Midlands.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47435565
 
billythekid said:
The European Commission has rejected a call for the UK and EU to make a joint commitment to safeguard citizens' rights ahead of a possible no-deal Brexit.

Brussels dismissed a proposal for a "mini-deal" on the issue to be carved out of Prime Minister Theresa May's withdrawal agreement, despite a unanimous House of Commons request for such an accord.


On Wednesday night, MPs backed a demand for Mrs May to "seek at the earliest opportunity" a UK-EU commitment to adopt and implement those agreements on citizens' rights that are within her Brexit deal, before the UK's exit.

The Commons called for this to happen "whatever the outcome of negotiations" on other aspects of the prime minister's Brexit deal, including in the event of no-deal departure.

https://news.sky.com/story/european...izens-rights-ahead-of-no-deal-brexit-11651028
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So the UK wants to protect EU workers rights post Brexit but the European commission doesn't want to? Remind me why we would to stay attached to such a bunch of dicks?
 
SlowDownDerek said:
Yes, and he's talking about citizen's rights, which the EU has failed to guarantee despite the UK government being painted as the villain on this issue.
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Tusk and Juncker are on the EU gravy train. Their brief is to make Brexit as problematic for the citizens of the UK as possible. Everything is Britain's fault for daring to deviate from the yellow brick road to a superstate lacking normal democratic praxis.
 
Seems to be some crossed wires, the EU commission seems to agree the principle, the question is how to approach it ?

the European Commission pushed back against the demand on Thursday.
Spokeswoman Mina Andreeva told reporters: "The best way to protect the rights of these 4.5 million people concerned is through the withdrawal agreement.
"We will not negotiate mini-deals because negotiating such a mini-deal outside the withdrawal agreement would imply that the negotiations have failed."
However, Ms Andreeva stressed how the commission "has consistently made clear that the rights of EU citizens in the UK and UK nationals in the EU are our top priority".
She added: "They should not pay the price for Brexit and the commission has called on member states to take a generous approach to the UK nationals who are already resident in their territory."
In the event of no-deal Brexit, the commission has "proposed a number of contingency measures specifically to address citizens' rights", Ms Andreeva said.
 
JIMNNINA said:
Seems to be some crossed wires, the EU commission seems to agree the principle, the question is how to approach it ?

the European Commission pushed back against the demand on Thursday.
Spokeswoman Mina Andreeva told reporters: "The best way to protect the rights of these 4.5 million people concerned is through the withdrawal agreement.
"We will not negotiate mini-deals because negotiating such a mini-deal outside the withdrawal agreement would imply that the negotiations have failed."
However, Ms Andreeva stressed how the commission "has consistently made clear that the rights of EU citizens in the UK and UK nationals in the EU are our top priority".
She added: "They should not pay the price for Brexit and the commission has called on member states to take a generous approach to the UK nationals who are already resident in their territory."
In the event of no-deal Brexit, the commission has "proposed a number of contingency measures specifically to address citizens' rights", Ms Andreeva said.
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That whole thing is contradictory, "We will not negotiate mini-deals" in one breath and "a number of contingency measures specifically to address citizens' rights" in the next, which is a ... mini deal.

Typical EU Commission, obfuscate, obfuscate, obfuscate.
 
Im not sure.... what this present bunch of inept MPs are a legacy of ; but if we start doing reality checks on the history of the 20th century...quite a few things qualify as reasons.
I could kick it off by saying ...the Brutal separation of potential Prime Ministers and Brain Surgeons from Bank clerks, Till Tarts and Groundworkers by virtue of the 11 plus exam thereby halting the latter in their tracks before they can spell 'social determinism' springs to mind! Grammar schools were a sound institution...but not the selection method!
Then we had, removed from all that.......the Public schools( actually Private) where no selection process existed...other than Money...and look at some of the Wallies they Shunted into Politics !
Shove into the Mix...the ' ridiculous 1st past the Post Election method..... and here we are!
The future........? ...........with what they are teaching in our Universities now?... Id like the German comedian Henning Wehn..to be let loose on that !
 
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BillMcgarrycherry said:
Im not sure.... what this present bunch of inept MPs are a legacy of ; but if we start doing reality checks on the history of the 20th century...quite a few things qualify as reasons.
I could kick it off by saying ...the Brutal separation of potential Prime Ministers and Brain Surgeons from Bank clerks, Till Tarts and Groundworkers by virtue of the 11 plus exam thereby halting the latter in their tracks before they can spell 'social determinism' springs to mind! Grammar schools were a sound institution...but not the selection method!
Then we had, removed from all that.......the Public schools( actually Private) where no selection process existed...other than Money...and look at some of the Wallies they Shunted into Politics !
Shove into the Mix...the ' ridiculous 1st past the Post Election method..... and here we are!
The future........? ...........with what they are teaching in our Universities now?... Id like the German comedian Henning Wehn..to be let loose on that !
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The politicians of old came from private education ( trained to be leaders from birth ) or proper working class stock that knew the value of an honest living , they both understood duty to country . We now have neither but a bunch of career politician , virtue signaling , self absorbed ,weaklings ...but they’re handy on twitter .....there are no Statesmen anymore .
 
wallmth said:
The politicians of old came from private education ( trained to be leaders from birth ) or proper working class stock that knew the value of an honest living , they both understood duty to country . We now have neither but a bunch of career politician , virtue signaling , self absorbed ,weaklings ...but they’re handy on twitter .....there are no Statesmen anymore .
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Mmm Yeah...I think your right ....when it comes to Leadership, if you go back far enough....private education was probably better then and did indeed emphasise Leadership, hence strong Churchill types and the Working classes definitely had more oomph and practicality! Your last sentence is a powerful summing up of what exists now!
 
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