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Learnt a lot this evening - 'Lockdowns never make any difference'..
That isn't what I said.
Learnt a lot this evening - 'Lockdowns never make any difference'..
Indeed, so that then points to the easing of restrictions for aiding the virus to spread freely...
Lockdowns have worked, the problem was they were not done early enough.
This might be down to political pressure from some within the governments own party over advice from the scientific/medical advice given.
It looked like Boris had listened in the end to those in the field of science/medicine when they came up with the road map of gradual unlocking.
That was until again acting too late on putting India on the Red list when warned in advance to act, which may slow unlocking fully again or with certain restrictions still in place.
Everyone has the right to air their view, even if we don’t agree with each other.
Last week I visited a local farm shop and there was an elderly woman inside with no mask (maybe exempt) wearing a T-shirt with ANTI VAXXER AND PROUD in large letters on the front and back. Probably lucky that everyone else was wearing masks, thus protecting her to some degree. A few people were making comments about her. I know it's her choice but I wouldn't advertise it so blatantly. Plus the fact she could only park her car diagonally across two spaces!
Interesting ethical debate to be read in the papers. Not sure I can form a firm view either way currently.
It seems children play a role in transmitting covid to adults.
Vaccinating them may reduce that, to an unknown extent.
Children rarely suffer from covid themselves, and giving them vaccines puts them at a risk (however small) of side effects often discussed in recent months.
Is it fair to ask kids to take that risk for something unlikely to hurt them directly? But it might benefit others in their family.
Would we be better off giving the vaccines earmarked by some for our children, to more vulnerable adults in other countries. Perhaps those with whom we share large travel connections?
Lots to unpack, opinions are divided among medical experts. JCVI say they aren't going to rush into a decision
There has been so much evidence globally showing how lockdowns work with varying effect. From doing it early, the stricter, the longer etc etc.
At this point if you look at all of that evidence and remain unconvinced with the effect it has battling against case numbers of covid, let alone the evolution of the virus, then I’d say you’ll never be persuaded.
Always going to happen and if people want a normal life again, it has to be freely accepted. Cases don't really mean anything anymore remember.
The point I was making was highlighting that restrictions clearly do work against the spread of infections, which you previously questioned and now accept as “always going to happen”.
Cases do of course mean something, you have to look at how many cases there are, in what age groups and who has been vaccinated to see what percentage turn into hospitalisations and deaths. You can’t just overlook something because it doesn’t fit the narrative.
Sorry be he seems to be one of those mad 'experts' who just loves the lockdowns and wants restrictions forever, 'just in case'.
We now know that Sky desperately seek out anyone who will offer doom and gloom. If all the current data is below the SAGE best case scenario with no sign of that changing, how the heck can he claim any of the key tests are not being met?? And if it was really data not dates, we would be back to normal already.
I have seen lots of comments from actual experts in the field who hate the idea of vaccinating children. Others support it for whatever reason. But when I see actual GPs and healthcare people saying this move isn't needed, it makes me sit up and question it. There have been some quite bad side effects from vaccines in adults, it has even caused death. Most adults are strong enough to get over the side effects of course but can children do that as easily?? And if most adults are now protected [ that need to be ], who exactly will benefit from children being jabbed?
Going by that last sentence though.....it can be aimed at politicians from all sides. They mention cases but then fail to balance it with the facts about hardly anyone dying from the virus now and hospitalisations remaining very flat.
Cased don't really matter anymore when it comes to deciding restrictions either. They can be quietly monitored but I don't see any worth in publishing them daily anymore.
The last sentence wasn’t aimed at politicians though...
Hospitalisations are flat because new admissions are matching those leaving hospital one way or another.
Hospitalisations and deaths lag 2/3 weeks behind cases.
3 weeks ago daily cases were around 1,500-1,800 a day.
The experts then look at that, can look at the age groups and vaccinations of those testing positive and model what kind of numbers they’d be looking at for hospitalisations and deaths in comparison to now when it’s likely to be about 6,000 cases a day.
That’s why it matters, plus some of us would like our children to stay in school and that’s only going to happen without disruption if community levels of infection stay low. So if some common sense compromises allows that to happen then I’d be bemused why anyone would be against that.
How many daily tests were being done 3 weeks a go compared to now?
Surge testing will obviously result in more positive cases.
Not wishing to be pedantic DJ but 3 weeks ago the UK running average was roughly 2300 cases per day. But yes there is normally a lag of 2-3 weeks. I say normally because with the previous waves we didn't have the benefit of 50+% of the population being vaccinatedThe last sentence wasn’t aimed at politicians though...
Hospitalisations are flat because new admissions are matching those leaving hospital one way or another.
Hospitalisations and deaths lag 2/3 weeks behind cases.
3 weeks ago daily cases were around 1,500-1,800 a day.
The experts then look at that, can look at the age groups and vaccinations of those testing positive and model what kind of numbers they’d be looking at for hospitalisations and deaths in comparison to now when it’s likely to be about 6,000 cases a day.
That’s why it matters, plus some of us would like our children to stay in school and that’s only going to happen without disruption if community levels of infection stay low. So if some common sense compromises allows that to happen then I’d be bemused why anyone would be against that.
I think testing of school children and the staff would be a lot more than 50000 a day.It would.
Testing however is currently down. Probably due to half term.
Looks like it’s about 50,000 fewer tests per day over the past week compared to three weeks ago. So that actually indicates a higher positivity rate with more positive cases recently.
I think testing of school children and the staff would be a lot more than 50000 a day.