Non - Tesla

redharry - 22/11/2017 16:22

Actually burning coal produces about 65% more CO2 per unit of energy produced than burning oil or petrol.

https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=73&t=11
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Petrol is not found in the ground. Oil is recovered at great cost from the ground. then it is transported vast distance to refineries where they then use huge amounts of electricity to refine it. Then they transport it even more vast distances to a distribution centre where it then put on lorries to drive to your local station where you then load up the car.

 
Great cost ? Currently oil is about $60 a barrel which means that before taxes are added petrol is as cheap as chips. Currently about $2.50 (inc tax) a gallon in USA. Most oil once pumped to the surface flows along very cost effective pipelines direct to refineries. Current US fracking operators reckon their breakeven figure is about $25 a barrel.
Perhaps LNG would be best, low CO2 (if that's what we are most concerned about) and many countries including us are sitting on oceans of the stuff. Certainly natural Gas is the most efficient power station fuel when combining CO2 produced and cost of the fuel.
 
Druss_the_Legend - 22/11/2017 16:12

AFCB Lost in Brum - 22/11/2017 16:08

Druss_the_Legend - 22/11/2017 15:30
...for health reasons, it makes perfect sense that the government, which is committed to reducing co2 emissions, would be encouraging people to drive electric cars.
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Powered from all the new power stations that will need to be built to achieve this.

In other words stop the cars using petrol and diesel and instead use electricity created at power stations using gas, coal, nuclear, or imported wood pellets.

Ideally wind or solar would be a part of that mix but we all know the NIMBYs won't tolerate change, especially if it's for the greater good.
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Whatever form it takes, even if the cars used power which came 100% from coal, it would still massively reduce the CO2 we emit as a nation and also take the fumes that are produced out of the centre of towns and around schools.

But as already said, we are rapidly shifting to renewables.
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At the moment wind is providing 10.8% of our energy, might have thought more today but it is actually too windy for some of the turbines so they have shut a lot of them down (while still paying the operators a substantial fee for non production)
http://www.ukenergywatch.org/
 
20% from wind this morning. I bet many on this thread will be surprised by that.

Imagine if we were allowed to build more farms instead of being stopped by nimbys
 
Very rarely is it too windy. despite what people like to say. When it is windy you get this...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/germany-wind-power-free-energy-consumers-weekend-surplus-a8031141.html
 
What really happens in Germany.

http://reason.com/archives/2017/03/21/the-coming-german-energy-crisis

https://www.forbes.com/sites/panosmourdoukoutas/2017/01/22/germanys-green-energy-policy-disaster/#1723eb9b71b7

 
So Germany have an issue that their wind farms create too much power. awesome, once all those cars you are worried about are on the road they will be able to store that power.

Perfect. See, you are starting to understand the benefit of electric cars, batteries and excess clean energy.
 
You obviously haven't read the articles or perhaps don't understand them. I really don't know why I bother.

By the way I have absolutely no problem with electric cars and renewable energy.

Just not sure I want to pay Germanys electricity prices.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/uhenergy/2017/03/31/100-renewables-by-2050-germany-pays-the-price-for-its-ambition/#2a5b68701e98

http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/File:Electricity_prices_for_household_consumers,_second_half_2016_(EUR_per_kWh)_YB17.png

Off out to enjoy the sunshine now
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Fossil fuels are a finite resource so the price will go up as they run out moving forward. Are you just saying that you'd rather this falls on future generations? And they say baby boomers are all heart.

Personally I'd rather do it now because it's best not to be over reliant on some of the dodgy countries where most of the fossil fuels are located.

 
redharry - 23/11/2017 10:12

You obviously haven't read the articles or perhaps don't understand them. I really don't know why I bother.

By the way I have absolutely no problem with electric cars and renewable energy.

Just not sure I want to pay Germanys electricity prices.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/uhenergy/2017/03/31/100-renewables-by-2050-germany-pays-the-price-for-its-ambition/#2a5b68701e98

http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/File:Electricity_prices_for_household_consumers,_second_half_2016_(EUR_per_kWh)_YB17.png

Off out to enjoy the sunshine now
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This is the type of post i wish we could pin at the top and go back to in 5 years when the Germans have cheap, clean and plentiful fuel while we are paying over the odds to import gas while waiting for the £200billion Nuclear plant to be finished so we can pay over the odds for the electricity it will produce.

And i'm the one who doesn't understand...
 
Elon Musk, capturing the imagination of children around the world again.

Imagine if governments had the forward thinking of companies and people like Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos.
 
That Falcon Heavy launch - and the twin landing of the boosters was truly extraordinary.
And I just love the Starman idea - particularly the ‘Don’t Panic!’ On the dash.
A space tourism destination of the future - how forward thinking is Elon Musk.

 
Spent 20 years working in the 'Space industry', including being involved in the launch phase of a couple of communications satellites. So yes, I did get a little excited yesterday, in the same way I was concerned for a couple of old friends working on an Arianne launch last week that 'went blank' for a number of minutes soon after launch. Never think these events will ever become the norm, history of space shuttle and past events shows how dangerous that is
But launching that monster last night was truly remarkable. And whilst appealing for the brand and a little quirky, I'm not sure launching a car into orbit was the best use of a trial, its now just another piece of (artistic) space junk
 
GaryRB - 7/2/2018 21:08

And whilst appealing for the brand and a little quirky, I'm not sure launching a car into orbit was the best use of a trial, its now just another piece of (artistic) space junk
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A test launch of a new rocket usually carries steel or concrete ballast.
I think Elon’s idea was a little more interesting - with the nods to Bowie, Asimov and Adams being particularly splendid ideas.
 
It fires the imagination. If people only watched for the "gimmick" they sure as hell will come back after seeing the rockets landing back on their pads.

Whats amazing is that so far its "only" cost them 1/2 billion to get this far. Nasa's version, which hasn't been tested yet,has already cost 18 Billion and will cost around 1 billion per launch. Their BFR is aiming for a 2021 test flight. That will change everything.
 
It does indeed, with payload mass approxinate to intended future launches, which this car wasn't. Dont get me wrong, I'm not saying it wasn't a great promotional idea and it gets people talking, but he could have offered a free launch to someone too
 
Plenty of angles here to view from - and cars, rockets to jump into, with wind, electrickery and energy in abundance ; in conclusion will all this 'progress' be worth it to the average man in the street and be adequate testament to the efforts of a monkey, a dog, Yuri G, Valentina T, N Armstrong, Buzz A, Shuttle pioneers and victims, plus all inventors involved et al. ? Hope someone gets it right considering the expense and earths resources being used up!
 
I was searching an old post and came across this one. I wonder if anyone on here who mocked the idea of EVs being the norm in 2030 still feel that way? I even called it before the government did...

"2040? I think the government are going to be way out. Most cars will be electric by 2030."
 
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I was searching an old post and came across this one. I wonder if anyone on here who mocked the idea of EVs being the norm in 2030 still feel that way? I even called it before the government did...

"2040? I think the government are going to be way out. Most cars will be electric by 2030."
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I'd have a bet with you about that.......... but I probably won't be here to payout/collect....:(
 
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